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Lightbulb 2003 F350 Dually Crank/No Start

okay my brother just got a 2003 F350 6.0 Dually 2wd that didn't run and got it dirt cheap. the previous owner had parked it because he didn't know what to do or how to work on the truck. he said when cold it would puff black smoke and run rough and when it warmed up would run fine, and then it wouldn't start up anymore. which i could see as 1 of 3 reasons, FICM, Injectors, or HPOP.

doing tests, i found that the FICM was showing only 20volts so i had it sent out to Ed at FICMRepair and its all good now shows 48volts with key on, and during cranking.

still can't get the truck to fire over, cranking it the truck sounds like it wants to kick and start up but nothing. on the cluster of the truck it shows oil pressure on the dummy gauge. i also put in a new 5 gallons of diesel and took the fuel filters out and replaced them thinking it might be gelled from sitting outside for weeks in this negative cold spell we had here in illinois

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ICP sensor pressure is 0 with key on engine off and cranking the truck it jumps up from 0 to around 1200-1900 and seen it spike up to 2000

IPR is 14.84 with key on engine off and goes to 56.xx cranking and at one point seen it jump up to 75.xx at one point

when i did the injector buzz test i could hear the injectors clicking and the test according to the AE was successful.

i also reached up and unplugged the ICP sensor pigtail in hopes i could get it to default and maybe start that way but no luck either. also hooked up a remote starter button and cranked it over and looked in the fuel bowl to see if i could see any air bubbles from a possible bad injector allowing combustion gas in but no bubbles in the fuel bowl while cranking

the truck is showing 2 glow plug codes for cylinders #3 and #5 but that would not cause the truck not to start.

i'm thinking injectors are toast hence causing the no start. or could it very well be a HPOP issue?

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During all this cranking, does anything (back smoke)(white smoke)(raw diesel fuel smell) come out of the tailpipe?

Seems your ICP is plenty high enough for FICM activation, but does it have FICM sync1 (cam and crankshaft timing) ?

Check this video out from dieseltechron, it may give you some insight for crank no start...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TYa4OpdUns

Also, a really bad injector or more can cause your symptoms also.

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haven't noticed any smoke from tail pipe. I'll have to check again when I get a chance to look at it. also never checked to see if cam and crank were in sync. I'll do that aswell next time

I'll take a look at the video and go from there.

I'm personally thinking injectors because icp shows pressure but I'll be sure to check everything over again. going to charge up the batteries aswell to make sure they are fully charged after cranking yesterday

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okay time to bring this to the top. finally got around to looking at the dually

as far as smoke goes i did not notice any black or white smoke from the tail pipe

when i hooked up the AE again and did FICM Sync it was 0 with key on engine off and when i started cranking the truck it would go to 1 which from my understanding is good because everything is communicating.

seeing when it showed 1 on FICM Sync makes me believe the injectors are the culprit to why it will not start

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In your first post about your IPR, you said...."and at one point seen it jump up to 75.xx"

Seems very high to me for a cranking IPR. Can you read injector on/off or pulse width with the AE?

Also, maybe recheck the ficm connectors since it was reinstalled, possible a bent or loose pin. Definitely was bad if it was only reading 20v before.

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In your first post about your IPR, you said...."and at one point seen it jump up to 75.xx"

Seems very high to me for a cranking IPR. Can you read injector on/off or pulse width with the AE?

Also, maybe recheck the ficm connectors since it was reinstalled, possible a bent or loose pin. Definitely was bad if it was only reading 20v before.

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as far as IPR goes, i'll have to double check again tomorrow but from everything I have seen or know most of the time if its an oil leak ipr will stay constant at 70+ when cranking. but i will double check to be sure.

as far as pulse width I have never tried or looked to see if AE can or not.

i'll double check the FICM connections again to be sure but when i reinstalled it i made sure they went in straight and heard them click into place.

pretty sure i killed the starter with all this cranking and trying to diagnose. good thing the starter has a lifetime warranty from previous owner so i can swap it out for another at the parts store

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You may have killed your batteries. Check them.

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okay. I checked icp voltage key on engine off and it reads .07-.08 ipr is 14.84 and icp pressure when cranking still shoots up to 1400+ and icp volts goes up to 1.40-2.XX

but batteries are dead after cranking to get readings so I have to recharge them again.

I'm stumped as far as what is wrong. to me it's one of two things HPOP or injectors. I'd rather replace one vs both of them playing the guessing game.

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I am still sticking with a battery problem, and you have verified it. Get new batteries as these are going dead after cranking. If you are not cranking the engine over at 500 rpms or more, it will not start

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I agree with the cranking! Your IPR will go high (always closed) to create higher pressures. Do you have fuel in your top filter?

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