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01duramax6spd
04-05-2007, 11:37 PM
What's everyones thought on John Deere? We've always had some older Deeres,a 4020 and some B's but we bought a 6410 MFWD a few yrs ago and it is rediculous how much parts cost for it compared to the older ones, and how crappy some of the stuff it. The instrement pannel went out a year or so back and it was $800,the forward reverser went,just happened it was an electric one :shrug: . It was $660. Now it has a fuel leak,it starts hard,sometimes the 3point doesn't work{electric crap} and other stuff. We like it but with the cost of repairs for it and the fact we are having to do this stuff so soon is making us wonder if it's worth keeping or trading.
Are the 80's Deere's were better. Thinking about going to a 4250,4450,4255,or 4455. Are just as high or if they are better than the new ones. Also like the 15spd powershift on the older ones compared to the power-quad. I would hate to give up the forward-reverser but oh well :shrug: .
Any thoughts?

sodbuster79
04-06-2007, 01:41 AM
I worked for a custom farming outfit in Fl, and we used a 4955 for tillage and a 4555 for planting corn silage. We never had a problem with them. If I were to get a Deere, I would go for the 4055 series.

DieselMonk
04-06-2007, 04:34 PM
I dindn't like JD cause the tractors and parts prices are way to expensive. Same thing with MF. So I went with NH instead. had 0 problems so far and was much cheaper.:woot:

sodbuster79
04-06-2007, 07:40 PM
what kind of work are you going to do with the tractor?

05dury
04-06-2007, 09:23 PM
ive known a guy that had a 6410 and loved it....he has a 7310 now...but i always like the 4020s and the 4240 and all those

01duramax6spd
04-08-2007, 01:10 AM
I dindn't like JD cause the tractors and parts prices are way to expensive. Same thing with MF. So I went with NH instead. had 0 problems so far and was much cheaper.:woot:

That's whta my neighbor says.


sodbuster79: We have a ranch,it's be a loader tractor and farming tractor. Our 6410 is really to small for our spring tooth anyway,but these expensive parts and the need to repair it so soon are making us think hard about trading for something else.

sodbuster79
04-08-2007, 03:54 AM
yeah, that what sucks about a deere. If you want green, you are going to spend some green. Hell, any tractor made today is expensive.

pontiacross
04-08-2007, 04:08 AM
we run mostly deere equipment and have gotten a long great with most of it but there have been apiece of equipment or two in there that I would consider junk like our 1790 planter we just tranded in on a newer version, but I think every company has its good and bad products. The big reason we run deere is because we have a good dealer that keeps an increadable amout of parts in stock and if they dont have it it's pritty rare that we cant have it the next morning.

thejdman04
04-08-2007, 01:35 PM
Its all about the dealer network and if they give you good service. IMO a 4840 (not 15spd) or 4850 (bit bigger then the tracotrs you listed) but those are good tractors, pretty reliable.

diesel dan
04-08-2007, 01:46 PM
If you are looking for something in the 150-170hp range I would look for a 4560....They are the last of the breed. Mechanical injected 466 cu in. and 15spd PS, and side mounted exhaust. IMO they are the perfect tractors. My buddys family has a 4960 that they plant with and run the auger wagon and I love the crap out of it.....:Thumbup:

http://www.tractorhouse.com/images/Tractor/fullsize/75163905.jpg

01duramax6spd
04-08-2007, 02:48 PM
I like that 4560 :Thumbup: . I guess I hadn't seen them before. Side exhaust and later model units.

sodbuster79
04-08-2007, 03:18 PM
Now, that is a nice size tractor.

thejdman04
04-08-2007, 04:37 PM
4560's are nice tractors. those did have some dash problems (expensive) if i remember right.

diesel dan
04-08-2007, 05:14 PM
It wasnt a big deal, the 50-60 series all had a certain relay that COULD go bad. The 4850 we used to have had one go bad and it was an easy fix. The yellow caution light would flash all the time. But, out of all the 50-60 series tractors I have seen and been around ours was the only one I knew of that had any dash problems other than bulbs burnt out.

01duramax6spd
04-08-2007, 06:11 PM
I jumped over on MachineFinder.com and there's a few of them. All the ones I saw had 3 hydro remotes :Thumbup:, which you don't see on very many tractors,at least in my area.

diesel dan
04-08-2007, 09:37 PM
Most of those tractors should have 3 remotes. About the time they started building the 55 series tractors is when more implements required more remotes (planters, drills, multiple implement combos). Around here its hard to find a 55-up series tractor with just 2 remotes.

sodbuster79
04-09-2007, 01:46 AM
try looking on www.tractorhouse.com

deerezilla
04-09-2007, 02:05 AM
I love my 8100 my 8410 been a great tractor and now we jut got a new 8530 don't know yeat about it but 3 week I will know. You might want to look at a 7610 thats a good tractor we traded one in last year for a 7620.

ckbed
04-09-2007, 06:24 AM
We just ordered a new 6615 to replace our 30 year old 2840(?) We also have an 8200 and a 2040, all of which have ran good with out any major problems. We've always trusted Deere and its never failed us, and that matters when your livelyhood counts on it.

01duramax6spd
04-09-2007, 02:34 PM
I appreciate the input,keep it coming :Thumbup: .

FarmboyAC
04-10-2007, 04:28 PM
Are you def. going back with Deere or are you looking at other tractors as well? NH and Agco have some nice tractors out there as well..... The last Allis-Chalmers tractors were well ahead of their time too....

01duramax6spd
04-10-2007, 06:30 PM
Are you def. going back with Deere or are you looking at other tractors as well? NH and Agco have some nice tractors out there as well..... The last Allis-Chalmers tractors were well ahead of their time too....

We have A/C tractors too and the experience we've had at least with the
80's 6080 MFWD we had we couldn't keep clutches in it. We do have an A/C 190 we like but I'm fairly partial to JD. My neighbor thinks NH is the way to go but only because he has a good warranty and he plans to trade as soon as it was up.

FarmboyAC
04-10-2007, 06:40 PM
Ok, I dont have any experience really with the 6000 series. But all of our 8000 series have been great to us, and we really use em too. Our 8070's are basically our main power on the farm. I was just throwing them out there because they are great older tractors that can be had for a decent price. Now as for NH, they are a great tractor, but I dont have a whole lot of field experience with them, only the little bit that I've gotten to run them at field days since we sell them. I will tell you that we are a NH AGCO dealer and we work on just as many deeres as anything else.

dlopp
04-10-2007, 09:51 PM
What's everyones thought on John Deere? We've always had some older Deeres,a 4020 and some B's but we bought a 6410 MFWD a few yrs ago and it is rediculous how much parts cost for it compared to the older ones, and how crappy some of the stuff it. The instrement pannel went out a year or so back and it was $800,the forward reverser went,just happened it was an electric one :shrug: . It was $660. Now it has a fuel leak,it starts hard,sometimes the 3point doesn't work{electric crap} and other stuff. We like it but with the cost of repairs for it and the fact we are having to do this stuff so soon is making us wonder if it's worth keeping or trading.
Are the 80's Deere's were better. Thinking about going to a 4250,4450,4255,or 4455. Are just as high or if they are better than the new ones. Also like the 15spd powershift on the older ones compared to the power-quad. I would hate to give up the forward-reverser but oh well :shrug: .
Any thoughts?

IMO I woild go with a 4440 about 130hp or a 4450 about 140hp, they would pull that spring tooth a bit better. Great tractors!:Thumbup: No fancy {electric crap} just simple analog gages. As for a loader tractor not as good but the power quads arn't bad. But you can't beat those reversers, until they go south.

01duramax6spd
04-11-2007, 04:32 AM
IMO I woild go with a 4440 about 130hp or a 4450 about 140hp, they would pull that spring tooth a bit better. Great tractors!:Thumbup: No fancy {electric crap} just simple analog gages. As for a loader tractor not as good but the power quads arn't bad. But you can't beat those reversers, until they go south.

4450 can be had with a powershift though :Thumbup: . I do like the reverser but when it goes,it costs.

V895-ST280
04-12-2007, 01:23 AM
Are you for sure going to buy new? If you are going to consider used I would look for a 71-72-89 series Magnum. Excellent tractors with good reputations.

01duramax6spd
04-12-2007, 04:26 AM
Are you for sure going to buy new? If you are going to consider used I would look for a 71-72-89 series Magnum. Excellent tractors with good reputations.

I'm not looking for a new one, priced too high and too many electronics. I kinda like green paint :Thumbup: .It seems IH is expensive to buy even used. Is that so?

bmoeller
04-12-2007, 07:04 PM
What's everyones thought on John Deere? Thinking about going to a 4250,4450,4255,or 4455. Are just as high or if they are better than the new ones. Also like the 15spd powershift on the older ones compared to the power-quad.
Any thoughts?

Love the new tractors, but still partial to the 50-60 series tractors. Sound better too, when straight piped. :D :Thumbup:

I'd probably replace that 64 with a 4255.

there have been apiece of equipment or two in there that I would consider junk like our 1790 planter we just traded in on a newer version

Had good luck with our 1790. One of the neighbors down the road had problems though. The electronics weirded out on it, and the computers wouldn't allow it to fold up into transport position. Dealer replaced the wiring harnesses, computers, and some other stuff for them.

We outgrew the 16 row, and we traded for a 24 -30" 1770NT. I think my boss will miss the central fill hoppers, though. I would've gotten them. Does have the variable rate drive on it. :)

bmoeller
04-12-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm not looking for a new one, priced too high and too many electronics. I kinda like green paint :Thumbup: .It seems IH is expensive to buy even used. Is that so?

The Magnums seem to have held their resale value pretty well. Haven't paid any attention to the MX resale though.

7130 is the first one I ever ran. Only thing that sucked with that one, was that it only had 2 reverse gears. Not 4, like some of the others. :(

V895-ST280
04-12-2007, 10:27 PM
Yeah, the Magnums have held their value well. In 90 or 91, I think, they went to a 4 speed reverse.

01duramax6spd
12-08-2007, 02:48 PM
This is a few months old but I had a couple more questions. How many hours are you getting out of 55 series tractors? How about the newer 7000 series?
I was at the local Deere dealer the other day and they were giving me the run around that I needed to buy something expensive rather than a good used unit with some hours on it.

KWT800
12-08-2007, 04:58 PM
We have a 7210 that I run and love it. Ran it for a week on gas by mistake when it had 300 hours. It has 3000 now and still runs like a top.

01duramax6spd
12-08-2007, 05:11 PM
Is there any issues at 8000-10000hr if the tractor is well maintained?? Some tell me they run 15K on good maintaince but the Deere dealer was trying to tell me they start needing lots of work by 8000hr. We don't put enough hr on to know. Only 200-250hr a year.

KWT800
12-08-2007, 07:28 PM
A seed customer of ours has a 7200 with 10500 hours. The engine got electrolyisis at 7000 hours. He had never changed the coolant though. My uncle has a 7210 with 6000 hours and he does service every 250. A neighbor had a 7410 that only did loader work, and at about 5000 hours the front axle started wearing into the housing. The john deere mechanic that worked on ours when it burned gas said the 10 sieries had a bullet proof injection system. He also said the 7220s were a nightmare.

thejdman04
12-08-2007, 09:45 PM
There shouldnt be any issues w/10k or under if ithe tractor was maintained well. There are some out htere but not many that maintain them well. Big guys beat them and trade them a lot of small town guys try but just dont take that good care of them. They never check the coolant or anything.

KWT800
12-08-2007, 11:27 PM
I agree. I change the engine oil in our 7210 every 100 hours and hydraulic every 500. I baby it around most of the time. Im hoppin it will go to 10000 hours. I think at 250 hrs a year one would last you a long time.

01duramax6spd
12-09-2007, 12:57 AM
My question is would it be a bad idea to buy one with 8-10K if it had been sreviced well? I'm 23 and not rich enough yet to buy a new or low hour tractor :shrug: .

jakebrakeIH
12-09-2007, 03:31 AM
My question is would it be a bad idea to buy one with 8-10K if it had been sreviced well? I'm 23 and not rich enough yet to buy a new or low hour tractor :shrug: .

I dont think it would be a bad idea to buy one 8-10k hours on it...as long as you look it over good enough...it all has to do with the price also...what is your plans for the machine...to be used as a loader tractor...or do everything?...

One thing that JD has over many other manufactures is there hydraulic systems...very advanced and almost twice the output as an IH(even tho I do bleed red:damnit )...the 7000 series do have a much better cab than the 55 era sound guard body cabs...I will say if you look at a 7000 series MFWD tractor with high hours...you will hear a growl from the underside of the tractor at an idle to about maybe 1200 rpms...its the drive shaft for the front axle...they spin at engine speed and the yokes tend to wear...its certainly something the 7000 series are known for...when I worked at the Deere dealer we had a couple let go taking out A/C lines and taking out the front valve body of the trans...

Both tractors are easy to work on...the 7000 has on board diag. that is super easy to use...the cab actually tilts to the side and the trans and rear end slides out the back so if you do your own work it makes it a breeze...dont let the electronics scare you...you guys have mastered the electronics on your trucks so these tractors should be nothing for you guys...I wouldnt be afraid to buy a higher hour tractor...go look at a few tractors and post another thread...there is a great wealth of knowledge on tap for you help!!:Thumbup:

Good luck and let us know how you make out!:popcorn:

thejdman04
12-09-2007, 04:16 AM
I dont think itd be bad at all at all to buy one w/that price if its been maintained well. If the guy has never changed the antifreeze etc and eletrolysis is happening a pin hole could occur any minute w/that kind of hours. I know many many farmers who never change the oil, motr hydraulic nothing. Check it over real well.

bmoeller
12-09-2007, 06:32 AM
Have an early '73 4430 at work. Even with it being somewhat neglected over the years, it still has probably 17k hrs on it. Has some issues, but overall it still works quite well. ~10-12k on the engine.

I wouldn't really be afraid if the machine had high hrs, as long as it was kept up, and they stayed on top of any problems there might have been. If not, it will nickel and dime you to death.

Am always leary of fresh paint at a farm auction. Always makes me wonder what they are hiding. Oil leaks, etc.

01duramax6spd
12-09-2007, 02:42 PM
I've learned to avoid fresh paint. Two local dealers do it to every tractor that they have for sale.

thejdman04
12-09-2007, 11:50 PM
I agree paint dont make it run. I much rather see a tractor w/dirt and crud on the pto shield, a little seep here and little there thena freshely cleand and painted one. Its pretty common to have the remotes leak a bit, spill a bit when you unhook them etc. I rather see what im getting them get a perdy tractor that wont run.

John_DeereGreen
12-10-2007, 12:25 AM
We have a 7210 that I run and love it. Ran it for a week on gas by mistake when it had 300 hours. It has 3000 now and still runs like a top.
I'd like a little more information on how this happened, and how many hours were put on it with gas, and how many gallons were put into the tank. I'm not going to call you a liar, but I do find it very hard to believe that a tractor really ran for a week on gas. Please, explain...

As for the orgional topic, I wouldn't be afraid of a higher hour'ed 50 or 55 series Deere, or 7000 or 7010 series tractor. On the 7000 series, as someone else has said, the front drive yokes have a small but irritating habit of dieing and screwing a lot of expensive things up. The cabs are worlds better on the 7000 and 7010 series over the 50 and 55 series tractors, as well as the controls. We had a 7300 Deere until last year that we sold when it hit a little over 19000 hours. The only thing that had been done to it was regular mantanince. A neighbor bought it as a tractor to plant and pull grain buggies, and he's put another 3500 or so hours on it, between his use and renting out to other farmers...they're great tractors, just do your homework on research for mantinance records.

For the record, it's very hard for me to reccomend a used tractor, because I'm always fearful of just buying someone else's troubles, but many people don't have the money to go out and drop 80-120K on a new tractor, either. Good luck with whatever you decide, and let us know...

01duramax6spd
12-10-2007, 02:40 AM
What do you guys think of a tractor like this pricewise?
http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5248847&guid=5A7490606DA540C891CA29132929BE28

Or this one http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5275698&guid=5A7490606DA540C891CA29132929BE28

For the right price I'd get one without a loader and add the loader. Now to see if I can afford one this year or if I have to wait another till next year.

KWT800
12-10-2007, 01:27 PM
The pumps at our local filling station used to be very poorly marked. I pulled in to fill up one night and someone else had the big pump I always use. I put the smaller pump in and filled it with 33 gallons of gas(on acccident) . It did run fine for a week, but it was hauling out hay and silage. I think I put 15 hours on it. It wouldn't start one day. I cracked the fuel filter and smelled gas. Drained the tank. Filled her full of fuel, changed the filter, and shes still running. I still have people giving me crap about that, because they know how well I take care of that tractor. Luckily it was a Deere and is built to be durable.

I also hate to reccomend a used tractor without looking at it.

You might also try Fastline, High Plains Journal, or Deertracs.com if you havent already. Goodluck

imported_The Blue Beast
12-12-2007, 01:24 AM
At work we had a guy put gas in a old d6 dozer. It came in wouldn't start, he broke 3 connecting rods, and bent 2 push rods. You guys sounded like you made out very lucky.

i am not at all saying anyone is lying about having gas in a diesel and it working, but here is what i have saw.

Putting gas in a diesel should be a very bad thing. I mean you can sooner put diesel in a gas engine then gas in a diesel. Because diesel rely on compression and temperature to explode. Gas would explode prematurely, trying to drive the pistons back down. After awhile it would start knocking and break something from shock loading it.

About the jd's. We have a 7 john deeres, and we love the. We have bought 3 of them used never had a bit of a trouble with them. The biggest problem we had was gelling up a couple times but that is minor. They are work horses and we have no trouble.

KWT800
12-12-2007, 01:34 AM
Yeah I agree we were very lucky. I think the fuel tank holds 55 gallons, so it would've been diluted. Im sure it shortned the life of the engine though. BTW I just got in from feeding silage with our 4040 that has 8000 hours and still runs like a top. There good outfits.

bmoeller
12-12-2007, 08:10 AM
I'd stay away from a tractor that was used to pack silage. Usually loaded with cast ballast, fluid filled tires and beat to hell.

bmoeller
12-12-2007, 08:17 AM
What do you guys think of a tractor like this pricewise?
http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5248847&guid=5A7490606DA540C891CA29132929BE28

Or this one http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5275698&guid=5A7490606DA540C891CA29132929BE28

For the right price I'd get one without a loader and add the loader. Now to see if I can afford one this year or if I have to wait another till next year.

I myself would tend to lean towards the 4555, vs the other.

With that many hrs on either, I'd want to do pressure checks and checks for internal leaks on the trans and hyd systems. If the transmissions haven't been touched at all on either, you might be looking at a hefty repair bill for a rebuild. Upwards of $8k.

4455= chore tractor w/ loader and lots of fwd to rev shifting. 4555= field tractor with probably plenty of hard pulling, unless it was mostly on planter and/or stalk shredder type of duty.

Mower Man
12-12-2007, 06:57 PM
This might not be popular to recommend an import, but I run a Kubota for a loader tractor. No problems, easy to take the loader off and on and easy to maintain. Cab is comfortable with great heat and air. Just a thought.

01duramax6spd
12-12-2007, 09:30 PM
This one needs a loader but the price is good and the hours are right :Thumbup: .

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5119506&guid=a88b92daad0a4db38c9032d4f525d6ba

bmoeller
12-15-2007, 02:11 AM
Looks like it was taken care of. Interior isn't all tore up either. :) I've used a 4020 with the same tires. Those are wore down pretty well. Tread is almost as deep as rice tires when new. They clean out mud pretty well and grip good. :D

bmoeller
12-15-2007, 02:14 AM
This might not be popular to recommend an import, but I run a Kubota for a loader tractor. No problems, easy to take the loader off and on and easy to maintain. Cab is comfortable with great heat and air. Just a thought.

Not a problem to recommend those, but I don't think they are big enough to carry what he wants to.

thejdman04
12-15-2007, 07:54 PM
This one needs a loader but the price is good and the hours are right :Thumbup: .

http://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=5119506&guid=a88b92daad0a4db38c9032d4f525d6ba
Looks pretty good

01duramax6spd
12-23-2007, 04:23 AM
Can anyone give me a strait answer on an American tractor VS these ones that are coming back from Europe that were made here? I get conflicting stories :shrug: .

bmoeller
12-24-2007, 02:57 PM
What kinds of stories are you hearing?

I do k now there will be some differences between US and Euro spec'd tractors. They have some different requirements. Like a needing a right hand door, flashing lights/rotating beacons, sometimes brake lights,...............

Deere makes equipment all around the world. There are some design differences there too at times.

01duramax6spd
12-24-2007, 03:59 PM
What kinds of stories are you hearing?

I do k now there will be some differences between US and Euro spec'd tractors. They have some different requirements. Like a needing a right hand door, flashing lights/rotating beacons, sometimes brake lights,...............

Deere makes equipment all around the world. There are some design differences there too at times.

Mainly on 50 and 55 series tractors but the local dealer says they have different axles/gear ratios,no park,{which they all have},says parts are hard to get,have a 16th gear,blinkers, ect ect. I've never seen one but people that have them on lots say they are no different except for the extra gear,and blinkers :shrug: .

Diesel Guy
12-24-2007, 04:08 PM
Hey long time no see man. How have you been doing. Have you decided on a tractor yet? Is that truck off yours holding up? Hows the weather been out there? Any truck pulls out there? I know one thing the used market on good tractors has sure increased being these newer tractors are so high anymore. Good Luck

01duramax6spd
12-24-2007, 07:58 PM
Hey long time no see man. How have you been doing. Have you decided on a tractor yet? Is that truck off yours holding up? Hows the weather been out there? Any truck pulls out there? I know one thing the used market on good tractors has sure increased being these newer tractors are so high anymore. Good Luck

I've lost your name :(.
We're getting a lot closer to deciding cause we have been leasing some from my grandpa since he retired and he's wanting to sell them and they are too old.
The D-Max got a new motor mid summer but otherwise it's doing pretty good. Needs syncros in the tranny too. Bunch of sled pulls coming up in 08'. Check out DieselPlace.com in the NE section.

Diesel Guy
12-25-2007, 12:34 AM
Yeh its been awhile since Ive been on the forum. Sorry to hijack your thread. Good Luck on your tractor search.

99rctd
12-28-2007, 03:09 AM
dont know whether or not the motors are the same or not but i know of a 90s model 644 jd loader with over 15000 hrs on it and the thing hasnt ever had the valve cover off and it sounds like a brand new one. but it has been maintained very well.

bmoeller
12-31-2007, 05:42 AM
Probably the same 466 or 6076 under the hood.