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: High output alternator for 6.0??


bagstroke
11-27-2007, 03:40 PM
Where can you get one of these for our trucks? is their one?

Bcarriveau
11-27-2007, 04:39 PM
check out MSD They make all sorts of stuff for high power output.

colonelaberilla
11-27-2007, 05:37 PM
www.americanarmature.com/

bigtrxs
11-28-2007, 01:03 AM
These trucks have a 110 amp alternator from factory. Heres a # for a 140amp 6c3z-10346-ba. Hope this helps

imported_Saftman
11-28-2007, 12:54 PM
Try alternatorparts .com

20046.0PSDX
11-28-2007, 01:06 PM
You can thank npccpartsman for this contribution on another site forum. Its good info.:Thumbup:

http://www.alternatorparts.com/Ford_7.3_Power_Stroke_Diesel.htm

200amps in roughly the same size unit as the OEM.

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bagstroke
11-28-2007, 05:44 PM
:poke: group buy!!!!

Bcarriveau
11-28-2007, 06:03 PM
If you can find a lil shop that rebuilds starts and alternators they can beef up the one you have now and probably coast 1/2 the price of a new one. Just 2 cents worth.

bagstroke
11-28-2007, 06:25 PM
I couldn't be without mine long enough to have it upgraded....

colonelaberilla
11-28-2007, 07:50 PM
Make sure that you view a preview the output chart before you buy. A cheap HO alternator will not provide many amps at lower RPM's and will not provide peak output until you are well out of the diesel redline range.

bagstroke
11-28-2007, 07:57 PM
I spoke with the guys at the above mentioned and he stated that very fact..He said to go with the Heavy Duty version so it is working at idle/low rpm as much as it is at high rpms...

$279...eek...I would like to have some more people who would buy one of these to bring the ptice down a bit..

444turbodiesel
11-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Make sure that you view a preview the output chart before you buy. A cheap HO alternator will not provide many amps at lower RPM's and will not provide peak output until you are well out of the diesel redline range.

Good point here, most small case (automotive type) alternators do not have enough capacity at low rpms. Large (commercial) alternators can usually provide over 50% of peak rated amps at idle speed for indefinate periods.

I did some research a while back and found a true commercial Leece-Neville (Prestolite) that would bolt onto a 7.3L (three-bolt pattern - "T" Mount) It might require some grinding on the engine mounting bracket though (this thing is huge, it makes the large case 6G look like a toy) but it's available to 270A(149A at idle).

Leece-Neville specs (http://www.autoelectricservice.net/images/LN_high_amp.pdf) The "T" mount is the one you want.

I haven't looked closely at the 6.0L mount to see what's available in a true commercial alt (I have dual alts now) but I bet one of those could be made to fit.

The bad news is they're probably going to run $300+, the good news is they will outlive your truck.

bagstroke
11-28-2007, 08:29 PM
Good point here, most small case (automotive type) alternators do not have enough capacity at low rpms. Large (commercial) alternators can usually provide over 50% of peak rated amps at idle speed for indefinate periods.

I did some research a while back and found a true commercial Leece-Neville (Prestolite) that would bolt onto a 7.3L (three-bolt pattern - "T" Mount) It might require some grinding on the engine mounting bracket though (this thing is huge, it makes the large case 6G look like a toy) but it's available to 270A(149A at idle).

Leece-Neville specs (http://www.autoelectricservice.net/images/LN_high_amp.pdf) The "T" mount is the one you want.

I haven't looked closely at the 6.0L mount to see what's available in a true commercial alt (I have dual alts now) but I bet one of those could be made to fit.

The bad news is they're probably going to run $300+, the good news is they will outlive your truck.

Yea no kiddin !!

FTG-05
11-28-2007, 11:50 PM
Good point here, most small case (automotive type) alternators do not have enough capacity at low rpms. Large (commercial) alternators can usually provide over 50% of peak rated amps at idle speed for indefinate periods.

I did some research a while back and found a true commercial Leece-Neville (Prestolite) that would bolt onto a 7.3L (three-bolt pattern - "T" Mount) It might require some grinding on the engine mounting bracket though (this thing is huge, it makes the large case 6G look like a toy) but it's available to 270A(149A at idle).

Leece-Neville specs (http://www.autoelectricservice.net/images/LN_high_amp.pdf) The "T" mount is the one you want.

I haven't looked closely at the 6.0L mount to see what's available in a true commercial alt (I have dual alts now) but I bet one of those could be made to fit.

The bad news is they're probably going to run $300+, the good news is they will outlive your truck.

Good point about case sizes. And why doing what one suggested here to modify the current 3G case is not a good idea for doing what the OP wanted: i.e. a high output alternator. You can make a small case (and the 3G is a small case) high output, but it won't make much more over stock nor will it last long nor be as reliable as a large case high output unit.

UpstateDieselGuy
11-29-2007, 10:30 AM
I don't know what they go for, but they have a large Alternator on the 6.0L in the E-Series Buses and Ambulances right from Ford. Just a thought. Chris

gtdan01
11-29-2007, 11:05 PM
Interesting as I just had to replace my 166k mile alternator recently, wish I would have known that there are upgrades.

Ackman70
12-02-2007, 03:05 AM
I spoke with the guys at the above mentioned and he stated that very fact..He said to go with the Heavy Duty version so it is working at idle/low rpm as much as it is at high rpms...

$279...eek...I would like to have some more people who would buy one of these to bring the ptice down a bit..

I'd be interested in a group buy.

gtdan01
12-02-2007, 06:00 AM
I'd be interested in a group buy.
I would also be interested in a group buy!

Bcarriveau
12-02-2007, 06:36 AM
I would also be interested in a group buy!

if the price is right:Thumbup: so ill give a maybe for now.:popcorn:

bagstroke
12-02-2007, 02:55 PM
lets see who's all intrested....

Bcarriveau
01-11-2009, 09:54 PM
Since the old thread is gone from the hack this is the one we still have..

here is probably the best alternator for the price..:thumbsup

http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/Items/8306-220%20amp%20-%20ford%20truck?&caSKU=8306-220%20amp%20-%20ford%20truck&caTitle=FORD%20F%20TRUCK%206.0L%20HIGH%20OUTPUT%20 220%20AMP%20ALTERNATOR%2004%20%208306
and there is also this site

http://www.nationsautoelectric.com/Ford.html

8yourv8
01-11-2009, 11:08 PM
i would buy one too if the price was right

Bcarriveau
01-11-2009, 11:10 PM
IMO the dp is unbeatable..

8yourv8
01-11-2009, 11:14 PM
IMO the dp is unbeatable..

true but even ten bucks is a deal

bismic
01-11-2009, 11:59 PM
I would also be interested.

Bcarriveau
01-12-2009, 12:19 AM
Our member "machine" has the dp alternator, alto his truck is down right now he says its sweet and the company is great, he got a Upgraded wire kit to help transfer all the extra power, it puts out 115amps at idle. :eek:

LokiWolf
01-12-2009, 03:16 AM
Our member "machine" has the dp alternator, alto his truck is down right now he says its sweet and the company is great, he got a Upgraded wire kit to help transfer all the extra power, it puts out 115amps at idle. :eek:

So you gonna get a group buy setup...I'd be interested if they came off the price $25-$30, and maybe included the upgraded harness???:thumbsup

Bcarriveau
01-12-2009, 03:17 AM
I need one, leme see if i get all my money owed to me tomarrow, if so i will email them and get one going. :thumbsup

imelmo
01-12-2009, 01:35 PM
I've got the one 220A one form DB Electric on my 6.0. Had one on my 7.3 also. Never had a single issue with the one on my 7.3, and the one on my 6.0 is doing great. http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/Items/8306-220%20amp%20-%20ford%20truck?&caSKU=8306-220%20amp%20-%20ford%20truck&caTitle=FORD%20F%20TRUCK%206.0L%20HIGH%20OUTPUT%20 220%20AMP%20ALTERNATOR%2004%20%208306


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Ole JIM
01-17-2009, 06:17 AM
If you can find a lil shop that rebuilds starts and alternators they can beef up the one you have now and probably coast 1/2 the price of a new one. Just 2 cents worth.

Thanks Bcarriveau;512370--I asked? at the Big Truck Shop & they informed ME! of where they get their Big Alternators Done--so I visited him & He will modify mine--I have a 96 F-350 Ford 4X4 w/ an electric operated Plow--my Problems Solved! thanks to YOU!--Ole Jim--

Bcarriveau
01-17-2009, 06:38 AM
Thanks Bcarriveau;512370--I asked? at the Big Truck Shop & they informed ME! of where they get their Big Alternators Done--so I visited him & He will modify mine--I have a 96 F-350 Ford 4X4 w/ an electric operated Plow--my Problems Solved! thanks to YOU!--Ole Jim--

what is 512370?

machine
01-17-2009, 03:36 PM
Our member "machine" has the dp alternator, alto his truck is down right now he says its sweet and the company is great, he got a Upgraded wire kit to help transfer all the extra power, it puts out 115amps at idle. :eek:

YESSIR!! I do have the 220A HO from DB Electric, and man is it sweet. It's in the exact same case as the OEM, just with bigger internals, and a slightly smaller pulley. They are built IN-HOUSE, and bolt up the same as the OEM. ~115 amps at idle, and ~220 amps at 1200 rpm.

teamroper60
01-17-2009, 06:50 PM
YESSIR!! I do have the 220A HO from DB Electric, and man is it sweet. It's in the exact same case as the OEM, just with bigger internals, and a slightly smaller pulley...

Did the smaller pulley cause any problems with the factory belt being too loose?? Or is there enough room in the tensioner to make up the difference in size??

Bcarriveau
01-17-2009, 06:59 PM
I have not heard anything a bought the pulley being smaller but if it is i bet its not noticeable.

I would think they wouldn't make a product that would loosen its main source of energy by any means:usflag

teamroper60
01-17-2009, 07:05 PM
I have not heard anything a bought the pulley being smaller but if it is i bet its not noticeable.

I would think they wouldn't make a product that would loosen its main source of energy by any means:usflag

I hope not for your sake and mine, since you just ordered this alt. for both of us!! :haha:haha

Bcarriveau
01-17-2009, 07:14 PM
I hope not for your sake and mine, since you just ordered this alt. for both of us!! :haha:haha

and 7 others :goodvsevil

bismic
01-17-2009, 11:05 PM
I have not heard anything a bought the pulley being smaller but if it is i bet its not noticeable.

I would think they wouldn't make a product that would loosen its main source of energy by any means:usflag

I have heard of the higher output alternators occasionally developing a squeek because of the use of a very slightly smaller pulley. I have also heard that installing a Goodyear Gatorback belt stops the squeek.

Bcarriveau
01-18-2009, 12:14 AM
I have heard of the higher output alternators occasionally developing a squeek because of the use of a very slightly smaller pulley. I have also heard that installing a Goodyear Gatorback belt stops the squeek.

You are probably right abought the belt, if you have a cheap/warn out belt its not going to grab like the higher end belts will I will know if it slip or sqeaks at all pretty soon, also if the tensioner is not working well it could cause this to, the tension should take any slack out if working correctly.

bushpilot
01-18-2009, 01:15 AM
if anything SQUEEKS its either the bearing or MORE LIKELY the belt (needs to be
replaced or tightened) !

I have 78k on my OE belt...itll be in the trash when the new DB 220 gets installed,
no sense in doin' this TWICE !

its common to use smaller pulleys (makes it turn faster) and this could be part of
how they get a little more outta the alternator at idle....but a smaller pulley on
the STOCK alternator wouldnt get you 220a no matter WHAT the rpm !

bismic
01-18-2009, 05:24 AM
if anything SQUEEKS its either the bearing or MORE LIKELY the belt (needs to be
replaced or tightened) !

I have 78k on my OE belt...itll be in the trash when the new DB 220 gets installed,
no sense in doin' this TWICE !

its common to use smaller pulleys (makes it turn faster) and this could be part of
how they get a little more outta the alternator at idle....but a smaller pulley on
the STOCK alternator wouldnt get you 220a no matter WHAT the rpm !

There is no "could be" about it - it clearly is part of the design for higher output. The threads on the squeek were from various forums quite a few years ago. IIRC the posters were so annoyed at the squeek that they were even talking about putting the OEM pulley on the upgraded alternator. They came to the same conclusion you mentioned - that doing so would de-rate the output of the new unit. I believe Bcarriveau hit the nail on the head - weak tensioner or a cheap belt.

machine
01-18-2009, 02:59 PM
Yes, the pulley on the DB is smaller, noticeably smaller, but not small enough that the tensioner won't take up the slack. Don said it perfectly, if you get a HO alt with a smaller pulley, it's CHEAP insurance to go ahead and replace the belt. And yes, the smaller pulley is part of the design to make the alt spin faster (make more rotations), which is the reason for the beefed-up internals.