: what would it run??
01-25-2006, 03:12 AM
Guys i am looking at buying this truck for a daily driver. 1990 single cab 2x4 auto with 124k miles great shape, if i buy it i will do intake, exhaust, "hopup" the stock rotary pump, do some 50hp injectors, and prob a tqconverter and valve body. what you guys think it would run in the 1/4? I am also going to do a IC(out of my 6.0). With what i am doing would i see much gaine from a turbo? if so what turbo?
p.s. i can get this truck for 5k, the paint is good, runs great, new tires, you guys think it is a ok price?
01-25-2006, 11:10 PM
01-26-2006, 02:39 AM
I have to say it would be a nice truck to BOMB out. My guess on the 1/4 would be 14-16 sec. depends on how you drive it and what all you do. A reg cab 2x4 is a great ruck to make a drag truck. The stock turbo is good, keep it. If you want more power first put on the 16cm exaust housing. That is a very common turbo upgrade. If you have money to spend add the 4k gsk kit and 4k rpm kit. Injectors are a must and turning the pump up is free and easy. Price is very good, so if you want a fun diesel to drag this would be a good truck to use. There is a video in the gallery that shows a truck jut like that run like a 13 sec. 1/4. It the Sacrimento drag video, check it out and keep us posted!
01-26-2006, 02:42 AM
and if you really wanted to get crazy with it you could swap out the VE pump for a P7100 and put a set of twins on it and you would be set and 5k seems like a good price for it sounds like a good low mile truck
01-26-2006, 04:52 PM
A non-intercooled motor isn't going to be the prime candidate for a hotrod without some substantial modifications. The older motors have larger fuel lines, larger injectors, weak head gaskets, and the pump runs more timing factory than the later models 91-93. But if a daily driver is what you are looking for it would fit the bill, just don't expect a 13 second truck without spending some time and money on it.:smoke: :smoke:
01-26-2006, 06:52 PM
Dont bigger fuel lines, and injectors =more potential power? Or should i upgrade my 06 cummins to smaller injectors and fuel lines. Ive also heard that some of the fastest cummins in the world run no intercoolers, i dont think you need it for a 1/4 mile run.
01-26-2006, 09:39 PM
The non-intercooled motor's injectors are a little hotter, but there is limited aftermarket injectors due to the different pop off pressures. For instance you have to run different tips on POD's in the non-intercooled engines. They have larger fuel lines due to more factory timing because they do not have a KSB solenoid, but the older pumps flow less fuel. The best option would be to convert it to the newer injection pump, lines, head gasket, and injectors. Also the trucks not running intercoolers are usually running an air to water cooler, water injection, and or nitrous. The older radiators also were known to not flow enough, hence the overheating problems, but Jegs does sell an aftermarket replacement.:smoke: :smoke:
01-30-2006, 07:03 PM
The older trucks do have larger injector lines, which means more potential. They use 9mm tipped injectors and require an adapter tip to use the 7mm nozzle injectors, very inexpensive adapters and do not require different tips on injectors. They do run more timing advance from the factory, dont know why this matters either way. They do have a KSB solenoid, it just opperates differently. The older pumps do not flow less fuel. As far as the headgasket, I dont think there is a difference, even if there is you wont have a problem with it for a mild buildup.
01-31-2006, 04:42 PM
Injectors tip adapters aren't expensive, and the wax type KSB solenoid on the older pumps isn't the greatest engineering marvel. Most people don't advance the timing on the older pumps because of the higher initial timing factory. The pre-intercooled motors will be suitable for a mild build up, but when have you ever seen a non-intercooled motor make 588hp with the stock 12mm head? I'm not trying to bash the older motors, I have owned 2 93's, but if you want to build something for high horsepower, it will have to be either a later style pump, or use a 14mm KTA head. RockJeep73 the 89 in your video runs really well, but in my opinion that is a little more than a mildly bombed setup. But if Alldiesels wants to spend the money, than a setup like your brother's truck would be well worth the money. I mean afterall, there are way to few of these trucks at the dragstrips, and sledpulls.:smoke: :smoke:
01-31-2006, 06:38 PM
I forgot to mention that the later VE44 injections pumps have larger delivery valves than the non-intercooled versions, hence the same 160hp rating with less timing. The older motors do have a weaker head gasket, I wouldn't push them much over stock timing, or about 40lbs of boost.:smoke: :smoke:
02-01-2006, 02:12 AM
Well it depends what you consider a "mild" buildup. I would call it a budget buildup, as I have about $5K into my truck, including the price of the truck.
02-01-2006, 04:33 AM
Rockjeep73 what transmission is in your 89, or your brother's, whichever I guess I'm not sure? Mildly bombed could mean two different things to two different people, depending on their preference. I believe that a budget buildup would include a fuel pin, AFC grind, Gov spring, and maybe a valvebody. But if you add headstuds, hybrid turbo, and injectors in to the mix, that may be a little more than some people are willing to spend on their daily driver. But I say go for it, I mean who would believe that these old square body Dodges could be as fast as they are?:smoke: :smoke:
02-01-2006, 04:47 AM
Ya, I guess it would just come down to personal preference, what I consider mild might be wild to the next guy. The tranny is just the stock 3 speed auto.
02-01-2006, 04:55 PM
What kind of horsepower is that truck making at the rear wheels currently?:smoke: :smoke:
02-01-2006, 06:20 PM
only put 312 to the ground
02-01-2006, 07:32 PM
I have seen a 2004 QC SB with a full suncoast and an AirDog run a 13.8 with 504hp at the wheels. What does your truck weigh? That is a pretty impressive ET with 312hp.:smoke: :smoke:
02-01-2006, 08:10 PM
truck weighs in at about 4850 with me in it and a 1/4 tank, at least thats what the scale at the track told me.