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88peterbilt
02-08-2010, 01:30 PM
will a 3406c fit under the hood ? i am looking in to building a needle nose pete with double frame , 46,000lbs double locking rears 390gears, double deep reduction transmission 9MLL ,triaxle dump for every day work

SmokinCAT
02-08-2010, 01:36 PM
What kinda power plant does it have in it now?

379Longhood
02-08-2010, 08:46 PM
:thumbsupCouple of things to think about , Rad , and are you going to find a water intake or run air to air, I thing W900L rads and ATTAC are the narrowest,
Sounds like a cool project, My 379-127 is 3406C powered so if I can help with measurements let me know. And we want pics of this build:thumbsup

black_dog106
02-08-2010, 09:02 PM
:thumbsupCouple of things to think about , Rad , and are you going to find a water intake or run air to air, I thing W900L rads and ATTAC are the narrowest,
Sounds like a cool project, My 379-127 is 3406C powered so if I can help with measurements let me know. And we want pics of this build:thumbsup

:whs

sexytrkr
02-08-2010, 09:31 PM
x3 on the pictures!

pichu2
02-08-2010, 09:35 PM
will a 3406c fit under the hood ? i am looking in to building a needle nose pete with double frame , 46,000lbs double locking rears 390gears, double deep reduction transmission 9MLL ,triaxle dump for every day work

:damnit: it is a 350 or a 351 buttlefly the air to air does NOT work you need an aftercoller (jacket) the radiator is very small and thin does NOT work mild that want to put a hood of a 359:woot::rock

88peterbilt
02-08-2010, 11:43 PM
i saw a pic of a needle nose pete on largecarmag.com that is a 10wheeler dump that is just great looking . i would am doing home work and i am going to start gathering parts to do this but i have some stuff to do to my 88 379exhd pete still so it might be a little bit till i can get into it but i can get some parts . i would like to built it just like my 88 but with a needle nose body on it. you can see my 88 on facebook under my name joe mckinney, pa so check it out

379Longhood
02-08-2010, 11:56 PM
Link to western distributors pete and KW build http://www.wdtc.net/custom.shtml maybe some ideas My son also found a site from a shop that does rebuilds on the "little windows ,I will try to find a link:toytruck:happymugs

you gotta do this so we can feel proud of you

379Longhood
02-09-2010, 12:04 AM
found it :D http://courtlandtruckworks.com/

pichu2
02-09-2010, 12:20 AM
[QUOTE=379Longhood;945128]Link to western distributors pete and KW
:woot: the truck on the left side, is not how it is now its an old photo. its painted like a reflection of a pool. that truck is 351 and they they made it longer by two feet to put an isx600. the hood is thin but the radiator is a(fat) foot and a half "panel" to be able to cool the motor and a customized air to air. And i believe it has a super 18:woot:

chris142
02-09-2010, 01:01 AM
How big is a 1693 compared to a 3406? I have seen narrow hood Petes with factory installed 1693's. They have a 127 bbc instead of a 119 bbc like most had. Peterbilt also had a 341 which was a 113 bbc and uses a 555 Cummins usually.

My 62 has a 280 Cummins and it's a pretty tight fit. It also has a 6Row radiator with staggard tubes somebody put in there some time in it's past.

black_dog106
02-09-2010, 01:33 AM
How big is a 1693 compared to a 3406? I have seen narrow hood Petes with factory installed 1693's. They have a 127 bbc instead of a 119 bbc like most had. Peterbilt also had a 341 which was a 113 bbc and uses a 555 Cummins usually.

My 62 has a 280 Cummins and it's a pretty tight fit. It also has a 6Row radiator with staggard tubes somebody put in there some time in it's past.

I believe the 1693 was the same CID as the 3406. Someone PLEASE correct me if im wrong....

catdaddy
02-09-2010, 01:52 AM
The 1693 is the same cid as the 3406 (893) but thats where the similaritys end. With the overhead cams in the 1693 the motor sits way higher and is bigger all around. Dad and I changed out a 1693 in a short hood W925 to a 855 Cummins and you could swim around it compared to the 1693.

As far as the 3406C in a needle nose, I would'nt see why you could'nt. I had a 377 with a tweeked up C model and it cooled fine with its smaller rad. Granted it was engineered with the rad and ATA cooler but it still should work with a little rigging.

SmokinCAT
02-09-2010, 08:35 AM
How big is a 1693 compared to a 3406? I have seen narrow hood Petes with factory installed 1693's. They have a 127 bbc instead of a 119 bbc like most had. Peterbilt also had a 341 which was a 113 bbc and uses a 555 Cummins usually.

My 62 has a 280 Cummins and it's a pretty tight fit. It also has a 6Row radiator with staggard tubes somebody put in there some time in it's past.

Most of those were numbered as a 358, compared to the 351 for the shorter hood. After some looking I think not only does it coinside with the longer hood but maybe also wether it is a tilt or butterfly hood as well.

The thing that really gets ya on the 1693 is the gear train being at the back of the motor, thats where the extra room is really needed.

chris142
02-11-2010, 01:07 AM
I have never seen a 358 with anything other than a 119 bbc. I guess they could have made them. I've seen a few 127 bbc 351's though.

SmokinCAT
02-11-2010, 01:37 AM
Your probably right, I was just thinking that the trucks of that era that I have seen with 1693s in them were listed as 358s, you never really see enough of them to really tell.

379Longhood
02-11-2010, 02:18 AM
As Far as I know 358 ment tilt hood and I think they could be ordered with either BBC ,119 or 127 ,because the only difference between them and a 351 was the hood / rad support

chris142
02-12-2010, 01:17 AM
A 281/351 is a butterfly hood and the radiator is also the grill.

A288/358 is a narrow tilt hood with a grill and the radiator is behind the grill.

379Longhood
02-12-2010, 01:28 AM
A 281/351 is a butterfly hood and the radiator is also the grill.

A288/358 is a narrow tilt hood with a grill and the radiator is behind the grill.

:whs Thats what I ment to say :damnit

midnitetrucker7
02-15-2010, 06:14 AM
88peterbilt that would be a cool ride. One of our nieghbors had a 67 kw narrow nose that we put a b model with air to air on. We used a radiator from a cabover and the charge air cooler I think was out of a frieghtliner. It was a little smaller cooler but the truck never had any cooling issues with this setup. I've heard some people say that the paccars with the 1693's had a deeper set firewall and they could be changed out. I've never meassured it on my pete but it does have a access hole thru the firewall right about where the cams are on the engine.

JeffLipinski
02-16-2010, 10:48 PM
A guy down the road from me redid a 61 (?) needlenose 351 last year with a hopped up 3406 (don't remember what letter) with an air to air, put it behind the regular rad, then moved the cab back 10" and made new hoods. Wasn't that big of a deal, he started out with blank frame rails, just laid everything out before drilling, setup with power steering and a single axle air leaf. It's only a toy, but engineering wise it is possible. It will probably never pull a load, but sure will turn some heads! I need to get some pics next time I'm over there.....