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Latest tests... HD to HD

http://www.chevrolet.com/hd-to-hd-truck-comparison/

not trying to start a debate a war..Just wanted to share some info... I own both, and dont see the differences especially in the payload video's vs my experience on a daily basis. Acceleration videos I will agree, but not to that extent..maybe different gear ratio's, and not making excuses for the Ford. Not stating which one is better due to I feel both are better at one thing vs the other.. Good read, keep it civil like gentlemen so this thread doesnt get yanked.. Thanks guys.. Jeff

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I am starting to favor the ram and duramax personally because it seems to me that using things like a turbo with a 2 sided compresser with a single variable turbine will hike the cost of ownership versus the the others, i may be wrong but the morer complex and more moving parts there are just increases chances for failures. the 6.4 is the same 2 turbos = $$$ , i do under stand that the powerpotential is great and that they are good but it is just one more thing to cost $1000+ to repair

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Its funny how the Ford all of a sudden is out accelerating the chevy on the brake fade test. Also on the passing uphill I don't buy it when they were testing the dodge it was the ford hitting the brakes.

I do really like the new chevys. The new body style is growing on me.
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The article has a connection to a Ford commercial bragging about fuel mileage. Every independent test seems to have the GM ahead.
I tried looking for a comparison of the Dodge and the GM in exhaust brake. That would be interesting.
The only part about the Ford that bothers me is If they are making more power than the GM, and it is not going to the ground, and they are burning more fuel, it all adds up to heat, and will that become a problem in the future?

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The article has a connection to a Ford commercial bragging about fuel mileage. Every independent test seems to have the GM ahead.
I tried looking for a comparison of the Dodge and the GM in exhaust brake. That would be interesting.
The only part about the Ford that bothers me is If they are making more power than the GM, and it is not going to the ground, and they are burning more fuel, it all adds up to heat, and will that become a problem in the future?
between our two 3/4 tons...the Ford is averaging .5 mpg better pulling the same trailers daily. Same thing as to normal braking..about the same..same on accelaration..almost the same. Both are close. The Ford weighs more, and getting the power to the ground through the tranny still needs tweaking. Towing and stability of laod on turns is still better on the Ford. Exaust brake is much better on our GM.

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Jass', i greatly appreciate the time, effort, and shot-taking that you put up with when giving your real-world input owning both vehicles in as much of an apples/apples comparo as one could ever really do.

i always read your input as both trucks are some of the best that have ever been offered and that each has their own advantages over the other, albeit those gains may only be ever so slight.

...or something like that.


also, i didn't look to see if it's on their website, but saw that there's a 3/4 ton shootout in FourWheeler mag this month. i've only browsed it and haven't read the whole article yet.

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Do you notice a big difference in the turning? I drove the 2011 Ford and the turning ratio was really good but was curious how the GM was.
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Do you notice a big difference in the turning? I drove the 2011 Ford and the turning ratio was really good but was curious how the GM was.
I believe its close, but slightly better. I primarily drive the 350, LWB with the 325 60 R20's...that turns pretty wide.. My 08 6.4 dooley had the tight turning radius like the 450..that truck turned awesome..

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Bumper sag and frame twist test are way off, I've put 3500lbs in the bed of half ton trucks and saged about like the Super Duty did, and frame twists, someone has been playing with sway bars and spring packs acceleration and braking tests, are very easy to make a truck look bad, was they really running the Dodge or Ford on the mat going up hill did perhaps they turn the jake off going down to make the Ford look bad, its on GM's own site so you know whose going to look good before you even watch it
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some results were surprising. i just don't know how the GM guys can put up with Howie 'The D-bag' Long...


the guys over on the GM sections are having a blast with this one. i just can't take the test seriously when statements like "zero brake fade" are made. their are test results and there are impossibilities. i don't want to hear about the chest-thumping cheerleading of awards, just publish the results.

hey, i'm not saying the Ferd didn't get beat - it clearly did in the demonstrations. but i've done my fair share of scientific testing (not in the automotive world). publishing one set of scientific results over others can skew an assessment. is that what happened here? i dunno. what is a more relevant question is this: how many different tests were performed vs how many tests were shown?

case in point: Ferd did testing that wiped their butts w/ GM trucks. now GM does testing and, what do you know, they wiped their butts w/ the Ferds. ok. the tests look great so long as you only publish the results from the testing method that are in your favor...

remember in '03 when Ferd was showing the loaded drag strip test and it walked away from Cheby? neat. so then Cheby stepped it up. then Ferd. now Cheby.

i just default to this: what do i want to buy with my money? if i like the asthetics, ride, and creature comforts of the Ferd, how valueable is that .5 seconds in a drag race to nowhere? and if i like the way the Cheby looks and feels, then shouldn't i just buy that one?

so next year when the Ferd 'walks all over' the Cheby (by beating it by .5 seconds or sometihng ), does that mean the Ferd is better? only the person making the payment can answer that question...

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