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DEF Info for 2011 6.7L

Subject: COMING SOON - Motorcraft Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF)

The following information is provided to prepare Dealerships for the launch of the new 6.7L Diesel engine in the 2011 F-Super Duty. A more detailed communication will be released in January, 2010 once the new Motorcraft Diesel Exhaust Fluid is released for ordering.

WHAT IS DEF?
A non-hazardous clear fluid (67% deionized water / 33% chemically pure Urea) that is injected into the diesel exhaust system to reduce NOx emissions.

WHY DEF?

Required for the 2011 model year F-Super Duty 6.7L Ford diesel to meet 2010 EPA emission regulations
For use with competitive make vehicles using a SCR (selective catalytic reduction) system
The majority of diesel (light and heavy duty) manufacturers will use DEF to meet the new requirements
PART ORDERING
A communication will be sent in early January to announce product ordering details. In general:

DEF is a supplier direct ship product, similar to Motorcraft Coolant & Refrigerant
Dealers can order product directly or through their facing Ford Authorized Distributors
FADs will have product by late January (prior to dealers receiving vehicles)
KEY DATES

Motorcraft Diesel Exhaust Fluid will be available to order early January 2010
Super Duty Job1 is January 18, 2010
Super Duty "ok to buy" is March 8, 2010
1st day for dealer to sell.

MOTORCRAFT PACKAGE OFFERINGS
Part Number Package Size Dispenser
PM-27-1G 1-gallon Bottle Fast fill - no spill nozzle included
PM-27-J 2.5-gallon Jug Fast fill - no spill nozzle included
PM-27-D 55-gallon Drum Pumping equipment required (Rotunda)
PM-27-T 275-gallon Tote Pumping equipment required (Rotunda)


DISPENSING EQUIPMENT

55-gallon drums and 275-gallon totes will require specialized pumping equipment offered by Rotunda.
Look for special pricing in the Rotunda 2010 NADA Promotion with pricing effective January 1 – March 31, 2010.

ROTUNDA DEF DISPENSING EQUIPMENT OFFERINGS
Part Number Description Price
256-00167 DEF 55 Gallon Drum Dispensing System – Electric $1,399.00
256-00168 DEF 275 Gallon IBC Tote Dispensing System - Electric $1,599.00


ACTION REQUIRED

Familiarize yourself, and your employees, with Motorcraft Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF)
Plan to order DEF to ensure availability for your customers
Capitalize on the lowest cost per gallon cost of purchasing 55-gallon drums or 275-gallon totes
1 & 2.5-gallon containers are recommended for consumers wishing to have DEF on hand
Order as soon as available. Dealers with inventory of Motorcraft DEF will have their contact information placed on the Department of Energy (DOE) DEF locator website. http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/locator/def/
Ford will be providing this information to the DOE based on dealer inventories of DEF verified purchases in early January 2010.
FAQ
Why use Motorcraft DEF?
Motorcraft DEF is API certified, meeting ISO22241, and is the only fluid approved and recommended by Ford Motor Company. Inferior product may result in costly damage to the SCR system. System damage as a result of inferior fluid is not eligible for warranty reimbursement.

How is the vehicle filled with DEF?
The fluid is supplied through a fill port located next to the diesel fuel fill port; it has a blue cap clearly marked for diesel exhaust fluid.

What is the capacity of the vehicle DEF tank?
The DEF tanks have a five to six gallon capacity, depending on the vehicle configuration.

How frequently will DEF need to be replenished?
The system is designed to last approximately 7,500 miles between fill ups, coinciding with the oil & filter change interval. However, depending on customer use, replenishment may need to occur more frequently.

Is there a DEF tank level gauge?
The vehicle instrument cluster will provide indication of fluid level in the DEF tank, as well as provide warning messages when the DEF is low and needs to be refilled.

Can the vehicle be operated without DEF?
The vehicle will not operate properly without DEF. When the vehicle DEF monitoring system detects no DEF is available, the vehicle initially goes into a speed limiting mode and then progresses into an idle only mode.

How should DEF inventory be stored?
DEF should be stored out of direct sunlight in temperatures between 23F and 86F (-5C and 30C)

Freezing point is 12F (-11C)
Prolonged storage at higher temperatures will cause DEF to breakdown reducing shelf life.
Storing DEF at 86F reduces shelf life to approximately 12months.
Can DEF freeze in the vehicle?
Yes. However, Ford Motor Company vehicles have a tank and line heater to ensure the vehicle operates in extremely cold climates.
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more epa crap. hopefully it can be removed half easy

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more epa crap. hopefully it can be removed half easy
You said it,wonder how much its gonna cost us for a fill up at an oil change?

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yeah i wonder to, its getting expensive to run diesels. i dont want to go back to a g*****er.

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Freezing point is 12F (-11C) it was -25 this morning here in Quebec,Canada, ???? let go Spartan. )

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Urea injection helps release the beast.

I am currently spec-ing out a new Peterbilt 389 for my business. Rushed to beat the new 2011 EPA standards, I was all set to pull the trigger on a 140K truck until I decided to research the new SCR urea injection technology that everyone seems to be afraid of..

The Cummins 550 ISX I have ordered is rumored to increase in price by 10K with the new SCR system, and everybody in the sales business is trashing the new engine because of it's cost, and the urea maintenance involved, hence my scramble to buy a current EGR 550. Last night, I thought I would take a look at what it's all about.
After Googling and reading about the new technology, I think I'm going to wait and buy one of these new engines.

What is happening is this:
In a nutshell, the urea that is injected into the exhaust is incredibly effective in breaking down ALL NOx gasses, and this allows the engine to run on much less power robbing, coolant system taxing EGR.
As we know, EGR substitutes exhaust gasses for oxygen in the combustion chamber. This lowers the available O2 to burn, hence lowering combustion chamber temperatures and lowering power, along with the lowered number of NOx released.
Want to know why your 6.4L is a dog stock? The engine isn't allowed the benefit of oxygen to burn in order to make emissions. It's basically choked to death. With SCR, we can now turn down the EGR which turns UP the oxygen. This makes for a stronger powerband, more crispness and definitely more power and fuel economy while lowering operating temps. There is basically NO ECM induced regeneration because the extra DPF clogging soot from the EGR isn't produced, and regeneration can be achieved passively. instead of by active means.

Ford is taking credit for reinventing the wheel with the 6.7L, but I submit that the better power and fuel efficency comes directly on achieving emission standards with less EGR that the SCR injection now allows..

The new technology, with all of the inconveniences of filling the urea tank will bring back the old snappy diesels, and I for one am buying in.

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Thankfully i got my trucks when i did. My recently purchased v10 is looking better all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much is this urine going to cost?? It's bad enough the cost of diesel fuel now, add the lower mileage with the new fuel,the mileage robbing emission/exhaust systems, not to mention the up front cost of a diesel engine.
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It has been obvious for a long time that the EPA is a fighting chicken off its collar.
Sounds like it's about time to vote in new, sound science and auto-friendly, representatives in congress. "This town needs an enema!"

As for those afraid of SCR... I'll bet you still hate Fuel Injection and Turbo Charging.

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Urea injection helps release the beast.

I am currently spec-ing out a new Peterbilt 389 for my business. Rushed to beat the new 2011 EPA standards, I was all set to pull the trigger on a 140K truck until I decided to research the new SCR urea injection technology that everyone seems to be afraid of..

The Cummins 550 ISX I have ordered is rumored to increase in price by 10K with the new SCR system, and everybody in the sales business is trashing the new engine because of it's cost, and the urea maintenance involved, hence my scramble to buy a current EGR 550. Last night, I thought I would take a look at what it's all about.
After Googling and reading about the new technology, I think I'm going to wait and buy one of these new engines.

What is happening is this:
In a nutshell, the urea that is injected into the exhaust is incredibly effective in breaking down ALL NOx gasses, and this allows the engine to run on much less power robbing, coolant system taxing EGR.
As we know, EGR substitutes exhaust gasses for oxygen in the combustion chamber. This lowers the available O2 to burn, hence lowering combustion chamber temperatures and lowering power, along with the lowered number of NOx released.
Want to know why your 6.4L is a dog stock? The engine isn't allowed the benefit of oxygen to burn in order to make emissions. It's basically choked to death. With SCR, we can now turn down the EGR which turns UP the oxygen. This makes for a stronger powerband, more crispness and definitely more power and fuel economy while lowering operating temps. There is basically NO ECM induced regeneration because the extra DPF clogging soot from the EGR isn't produced, and regeneration can be achieved passively. instead of by active means.

Ford is taking credit for reinventing the wheel with the 6.7L, but I submit that the better power and fuel efficency comes directly on achieving emission standards with less EGR that the SCR injection now allows..

The new technology, with all of the inconveniences of filling the urea tank will bring back the old snappy diesels, and I for one am buying in.

Good stuff George.
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