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2011 DOG AND PONY SHOW FOR TECHS

Over the past decade I've built up an excellent friendship with the mechanics at the FORD dealership here in town.
This came to be mostly do to troubles with my 3 6.0 strokes.
Anyway I was invited to sit in on what I call the dog and pony show for diesel techs.
The reps only had 1 truck there since it was about the new diesel and drive train. It was a 2011 F350 cc xlt 4x4 off road long bed black with grey.
After 3 hours of talk from a guy with a voice and gestures like he was selling oxiclean or sham wows, the techs (with me tagging along like a kid in a candy store) started climbing all over the truck.
With my better than shade tree mechanic knowledge and skills, plus listening to what the 'pro' wrenches had to say I came away with the following observations and thoughts.

First and foremost was the look of dread on all the mechanics faces when each one would look in the engine compartment or check out the exhaust system.
Most if not all the guys expressed concerns over the difficulty of service and major repairs to the engine should it need work. Naturally the topic of head gaskets failure came up with a CGI block and aluminum heads, but the engineer was confident in his calim that SS head gaskets with improve head bolts there would be no problems. Heard that before.
When looking underneath you are immediately drawn to the behemoth sized cat/ dpf combo. I swear it's 5 feet long and 12" in diameter.I heard one rep state it was a one piece unit and should it need replaced it costs $9,000. I obviously don't know if that is accurate at all.
Next thing is the transmission. If half of the claims are true it should be awesome. I know it's bigger than anything else in a one ton. One mechanic noticed that the pan and drain plug on it are plastic. I'M CALLING B.S. RIGHT NOW ON THE 150K SERVICE INTERVALS!
The TCM is a bit out in the open and could stand to have some protection from flying rocks and stuff on a jobsite.
Like wise the fuel filter/ water separater is out in the open unprotected also.
It has a cheap plastic pet **** on it.
the suspension and diffs are pretty much the same. The electric locker should be cool.I was told that as far as gear ratios go for the diffs 4:10 was not available but 3.31, 3.73 3.88,and 4.30 are for 250/350 apps.
the front sheet metal is a great improvement over the 08-10 configuration. It's nice to see the grill stationary although ulgy and chrome. I'm not sure the front bumper will stop anything more than a alley cat. it's definitely cheap.
Inside the cab the new mega center console is great for those of us who use are trucks for work.
With out exception every mechanic felt the truck has way to much technology in the cab.I would agree.I bet people will be bring in their truck for service when in reality the drivers will just need educating, for a long time.
Thankfully the bed demensions are the same as the previous few years.
Somewhat of a concern is the whole D.E.F. system. No specs or ratios were given as to comsumption rate. The engineer stated that people will need to drive the truck for more than 5 miles to get the D.E.F. fluid thawed out in the winter.I DID FIND A PRICE FOR D.E.F. FLUID IT'S FLEETGUARDS VERSION $7.99 PER GALLON.
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i feel all warm and cozy inside on my order.

So...nothing good came out of it for you??

Are they old mechanics(as in been around a while working on trucks) or younger mechanics?
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exactly why Ford shouldve stuck with International. NONE of our engines are using SCR

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DEF will be the future or is the future.

I think ford did the right move...i was just kidding above. lol I'm not worried, hell...look what they said over plastic tapit covers,intakes,fuel tanks..what else is plastic now days...i guess the question is what isn't plastic now days. lmao

BTW: there is a winterized DEF too, good to -20 degree's F.
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A lot of good came out of it for me personally.
I was dead set on never getting another new Ford truck. I was totally scared of by the new emision regulation talk.While i still think it's bad, it's not near as scary as I was led to believe, but only time will tell.
The group of mechanics is well deversified at the dealership. So more negativity is coming from the guys who started wrenching when diesels were only found on farm machinery and big rigs.The younger guys who have been in the trade for a while were more optimistic about the computer technology kind of stuff Strangely the younger guys had less appreciation for the engine itself as far as working on it goes. Not everything is fixed with a lap top and a reflash!
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man you got that right about plastics. Heck someone will come out with a billet pan and plug for the tranny soon anyway
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I cant wait to see the new motor go, and no more cab offs sounds good to me. They cant put any more head bolts in then they already have. I can see alot less hg failors then the internationals have had lately.

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exactly why Ford shouldve stuck with International. NONE of our engines are using SCR
The reason they ditched the Navistar engine is all the problems associated with not having SCR. We are selling EGR coolers and head gaskets on 6.4s too. I have yet to see a 6.4 powered truck get over 17 mpg. Most get a lot less. I would say that is a decent reason for leaving Navistar on emissions controlled engines. I am a Navistar fan so long as its not a 6.0 or 6.4. Who is OWNED NOW?

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And no more cab offs with the ford motor

2008 F-350 Lariet 6.4L 170,000 km spartan tuned 275 daily
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I stopped in at my local Ford dealer yesterday and came across a 2011 F250 4x4 CC SB XLT with a 6.7 being used for sales training. I had a chance to sit in it and start it up. Very cool truck but I have agree that the layout under the hood is a total nightmare. You can't even really see the tops of the valve covers.
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