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Used cooking oil vs Biodiesel

Me and a buddy of mine are contemplating either setting up a biodiesel processor or running our vehicles on straight used cooking oil with an onboard filtering system.

How do our dodges hold up to the used cooking oil?

What are the pros and cons of each?

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I would image it would be fine the extra oil in the fuel is good for all.

Pros and cons

My guess time and money.
What the weather is like.

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Bio Diesel
PROS:
Pours directly into fuel tank with no modifications needed to the truck.
Increased lubricity over Dino fuel.
No worries about purging the fuel system before shutting off the truck.

CONS:
Time involved in processing.
You need to build a processor.
You need chemicals to process the fuel.
The fuel gels at higher temps than Dino fuel.


SVO
PROS:
Oil can be run through truck with filtering and drying only.
Chemicals are not needed.
Processing is much easier.

CONS:
Extensive modifications need to be made to the truck to run oil.
You have to let the truck run on diesel to purge the lines every time you want to shut the truck off.
Straight oil can solidify in low temperatures.


I am sure there are more pros and cons to each but these are the big ones.

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^ What he said. I will also add that once I converted my rigs to SVO that I make Biodiesel alot less than before. It takes so much time compaired to SVO that I'll just pay the $2.60/gal sometimes.

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I know where you can buy a greasel tank and stuff. Send me a PM.
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The conversion make SVO look like a hassel, plus the line purging like others have mentioned. I did find one inexpensive bio processor that will make 50 gallons in 24hrs, with only 30mins of hands on time, then it just pumps into your tank.
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http://www.homebiodieselkits.com/homeprocessors.html
I don't know the quality of these kits, so maybe some of you could tell me if it looks good or not.

I do have some questions myself though.
How much are you spending on chemicals, and how much per gallon does that average out to?
do you have any trouble collecting the used oil for the BIO or is that easy enough?
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Biodiesel Costs:
1. $160 for a 55 gal drum of methanol (makes 11 batches)
2. around $55 for a 50 lbs. bag of KOH (number of batches varies per titration, but atleast 20-30 for me)
3. Oil is free
4. Heat is not, varies per processor
5. Water to wash the BioD is not free, but somewhat cheap.
6. My time. Not cheap at all, if I ran the numbers at my per hour billable rate I would probably lose a little bit of money.

Each batch saves me approx. $75 dollars in diesel, but probably costs about $18-$20 to make.

SVO Cost:
1. Oil is free - if you can find enough
2. Conversion system - $600 for my IDI / $2000 for my Excursion
3. Heat not free, but limited amount I believe to be a wash
4. Filters - around $10 a batch is what I budget, but I use much less
5. Time is much less.

Getting oil is not so hard in someplaces. Here in Asheville, as soon as a new restuarant opens people are in there trying to get the oil, so it's a little difficult around here to get large amounts of oil...unless you have the right contacts.

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Thanks guys, for all of the info, but how does the stock vp44 hold up to SVO?
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Check this out for a their opinion, but it is just that, so take it with a grain of salt.

http://www.goldenfuelsystems.com/pro...tems_dodge.php

2K3 EXCURSION 7.3L 4x4 EDDIE BAUER 107K miles as of 06-13-07
AFE Stage II / 4" MBRP exhaust / DP-Tuner F5 (Stock, 60hp Tow, 80hp Econo, 120hp race & High Idle) / Quadzilla Commander/ATS Housing
Running homebrewed BioDiesel and custom SVO kit for 70k miles.:Thumbup:
Misc. Mods: ZooDad/By-Pass Oil Filter/203* T-Stat/Coolant Filter/HPX/CCV Reroute/Tranny Filter/Foil Delete/Stereo Stuff/ITP Reg Return/Non-EBPV Pedistal and Exhaust Housing/Adjustable Waste Gate Controller/


"If you love your motorcycle, set it free. If it comes back to you it was probably a high-side."

I'LL TRY TO KEEP UP, BUT THE EXCURSION IS A BIG GIRL AND BIG GIRLS DON'T LIKE TO MOVE FAST.
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