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Lift Pump - Time to replace...

Ok Gang...

It's time for me to think about pulling the Carter Campaign pump and replacing it. I'm been tipping the fuel warning light at 10 PSI on a regular basis now.

Now I've been considering the Holley pumps for a replacement. I know they got Holley Red, Holley Blue, and Holley Black. Knowing the holley black has plenty of GPH... But I'm worried about how much pressure it will deliever?

I know there is several out there with Holley blue's but I was looking to just go big and get it done once for a long time. So advise would be great to hear from all of you...

Help a fellow Cummins owner...:

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I have the holley blue pump and i honestly have gotten lots of info from you on all of your bombs. I am running a holley blue currently. I am getting 13psi @ idle and dropping down to 7psi under WOT with no trailer.
NO STRECHED SPRING..
I suggest getting a pump rated for diesel fuel. Skip the holley setup and check into a Airdog, Raptor, Fass, Walbro, Airtex or something along those lines. I am currently looking into a different style myself because another member stated the holley was pulling to many amps causing TC issues and tranny issues.

The Airtex looks like a good cheaper replacement.

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I suggest getting a pump rated for diesel fuel. Skip the holley setup and check into a Airdog, Raptor, Fass, Walbro, Airtex or something along those lines. I am currently looking into a different style myself because another member stated the holley was pulling to many amps causing TC issues and tranny issues.

The Airtex looks like a good cheaper replacement.
First off I can't afford a FASS, AirDog, or Walbro... These are all high dollar pumps... $200 bucks for a stock carter is not a choice either knowning that they will fail in a short order...

Lets try to find a low dollar solution here people... I don't need a $600 dollar pump...:

As for Airtex they don't list any pumps for the dodge cummins just check there site... :shrug:

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Put a holley inline with your carter and regulate it before the injection pump and you should have great pressure. My blue doesn't cause me any issues with my converter etc but I don't run it with the lift pump wiring I wired it separate.

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First off I can't afford a FASS, AirDog, or Walbro... These are all high dollar pumps... $200 bucks for a stock carter is not a choice either knowning that they will fail in a short order...

Lets try to find a low dollar solution here people... I don't need a $600 dollar pump...:

As for Airtex they don't list any pumps for the dodge cummins just check there site... :shrug:
You can get a walbro 392 for around 100 dollars and piece together your own kit.

Here is a Kit
http://store.dieseltruckresource.com/19gfpelipusy.html

And here is a walbro pump by itself.
http://www.jdsperformance.com/index....=item&inmake=0

I have bought 4 fuel pumps from Jd's performance for gas applications and have not had one single problem from him.

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Hmmm... Walbro pumps I know are high pressure pumps and require a lot of plumbing to make it safe to use with a VP44...

10 MINIMUM PRESSURE
20 MAXIMUM PRESSURE

So the most I understand about the Walbro pumps is that most have a bypass line in it. But is there anyway to regulate it properly so the pressure remains stable? Like use a Holley regulator?

That's why I was considering the Holley pumps... I can get it locally easy. I can shim up the spring for increased pressure, and 120-140 GPH is more than I could possible use... As my Scan Gauge shows I use a total of 12-19 GPH with my current BOMB's so the rest of it is returned to the tank...

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where is it that you shim the spring on a holley? I would like to be able to add a lil more pressure to mine to keep it safe..

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dont make the same mistake that i made i went threw 2 carters before i had enough since to get a fass(6 year warranty). glacier has a complete kit for $419 here is review from glacier's site. remember a good lp is still cheaper the an stock injector pump.


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Reviewer: William Hunt From WA USA
Make the switch to this & be done replacing your stock OEM Carter Lift Pump! Awesome system that works great! Install takes 2.5-3 hours taking your time. System is complete & performs as advertised. I've had mine installed for 17 months now & this thing holds 16 psi at idle & under a hard heavy pull I can only pull it down about 2 psi momentarily & then it's back up to 16 psi. Great Product that I Highly recommend!

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where is it that you shim the spring on a holley? I would like to be able to add a lil more pressure to mine to keep it safe..


Right between the cap bolt and the spring use small washers to increase pressure. Some people like to stretch the spring but that could over do it... But if you stack small washers behind the cap bolt you can adjust by adding or removing shims... Or a small chunk of round rod that fits the hole... But don't get carried away with it...

The way I tuned the oil pump on my 1973 Dodge Charger Big Block... 80 PSI of oil pressure all the time! :

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dont make the same mistake that i made i went threw 2 carters before i had enough since to get a fass(6 year warranty). glacier has a complete kit for $419 here is review from glacier's site. remember a good lp is still cheaper the an stock injector pump.


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Reviewer: William Hunt From WA USA
Make the switch to this & be done replacing your stock OEM Carter Lift Pump! Awesome system that works great! Install takes 2.5-3 hours taking your time. System is complete & performs as advertised. I've had mine installed for 17 months now & this thing holds 16 psi at idle & under a hard heavy pull I can only pull it down about 2 psi momentarily & then it's back up to 16 psi. Great Product that I Highly recommend!
I've only bought 3 pump so far in 120K miles... I've only spent 120 bucks... in 5.5 years on 2 fuel pumps 1 pump was warranty covered...

I just don't have 400-600 bucks to drop on a pump right now... I'm going to have to scratch to get enough to even get a Holley right now... I just don't have the money for Glasier or FASS... :shrug:

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remember a good lp is still cheaper the an stock injector pump.
I've only lost one VP44 pump... This was before I knew about gauges and pressure... As of right now my carter pump is still holding 10-11 PSI at WOT barely... So I'm marginal but not out yet... I've still got the spare under the back seat too...

I've got plenty of warning system... Pressure gauge and low pressure light...:

As for the Carter Campaign Pumps (4090046) I would buy another one if the price was still 60 bucks but Cummins raise the price to $220 buck now. This pump has been really good to me. Even now the pressure difference is only 2-3 PSI from idle to WOT. So I'm at 12.5-13.0 at idle and 10 PSI at WOT... Not bad for a "Junk pump"....

Michael Nelson - 2002 Dodge Cummins & 1996 Dodge Ram 5.9L Gasser
116K Miles On My VP44 - 4 Years of 2 Cycle Oil Diet! - Mixed at 128:1 Ratio - 25.3 MPG maxed out!
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