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So i have been looking at a few 24v's. Now i have a few ? but 137pg is alot. First one which yr is the best and which is the worst? As far as handling mods and pros and cons wat are the power outputs for the yrs? I havent made up my mind as far as a auto or stick but if i get a stick i think i want the 5sp not real sure need some help on that one. I was told to stay away form the HO motors just word of mouth so dont take it to the heart if you respond to this thread. I read the sticky on 53 blocks so i will be checking that from now on. Which tuner responds best to each yr and wat do egts usually run cause im used to seeing excess of 1600* in my current cummins on a run down the road wit a hot tune. So all in all i would like to hear wat everyone likes and dislikes and just give me some pointers

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dont hold me to all of this..but i believe 2002 was the very best year for the 24v motors. By that point they had most of teh bugs worked out. (I personally haven't had many engine related problems (only vp44 problems)).

The 98-00 Autos had-
Peak Torque: 420 lb-ft (from 1600 to 2700 rpm)
Advertised Power: 215 hp @ 2700 rpm
The 98-00 manuals-
Peak Torque: 460 LB-ft (from 1600 to 2700 rpm)
Advertised Power: 235 hp @ 2700 rpm
2001/2002 auto & 5sp manual-
Peak Torque 460 lb-ft (from 1600 to 2700 rpm)
Advertised Power 235 hp @ 2700 rpm
2001/2002 (HO) 6spd-
Peak Torque 505 lb-ft (from 1600 to 2700 rpm)
Advertised Power 245 hp @ 2700 rpm

As far as tuners...there is a wide variety of singles and combinations that work well. Many people (as well as I) will recommend you get a Smarty. They aren't as potent for the VP trucks (around 65hp) as they are for the common rails, but they give a good bottom end bump. Many people also like their Edge Comps/Edge Juice W./Attitude. They give 120hp i believe or 140hp with Hot unlock. The edge comp and Smarty stack to make a strong combo as do the Smarty and TST Powermax3. If you want to spend a bunch of money, their are the Bluechip boxes (Redline and FMS-$1000+). Then of course if you don't want electronics, you can always put a p-pump on it.

For mine, I have DDP 110hp injectors and a Smarty with stock turbo, and I rarely see 1400 with it. Cruising around 70mph ~2100rpm my EGTs are around 750*F. Under steady normal acceleration to 60mph, I may get up to 1000* or so. I know that the trucks running edge boxes seem to get a bit hotter (but they are also pushing more fuel than my smarty.

Overall I think they are a good engine choice.

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So the HO motors have the 6sp??? Really thats all smarty offers for the 24v is a 65hp tune? I just had my eye on a really sweet 01 5sp 4x4 RC Tan Laramie/SLT mint wit 75k but it was gone in like 2 days

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I wouldn't say that 1 year is particularly any better than any other year myself. The later model you go, the less likely you are to encounter a 53 block, which is a plus. However, many 53's don't crack, and I know of a 55 block that cracked the exact same way as a 53 does, so I don't think that that means you are necessarily in the clear.

In 01 and 02, the 6spd only came in the HO and the HO only came in the 6spd. In 00 and perhaps as early as 99 there were a handful of 6spd SO trucks produced. And if memory serves me correctly, those came with the bigger input shaft as well. If you are looking to hotrod the truck, stay away from an HO. They have higher compression and actually have smaller barrels and plungers as well and will flow less fuel than an SO. With that said, an HO can be upgraded to the SO pump, but that still doesn't change the difference in compression.

01 and 02 auto's came with a Hy35 turbo, very similar to the he341 seen on the early CR motors, the tiny exhaust housing and small wheels make them a pretty inefficient charger to run.

As far as performance modules go. You will want a fueling box, the vps aren't nearly as controllable through a tuner as a CP3 is. I am very happy with my edge drag box, and have no issues with it, in almost 5 years. The Juice is essentially the same program, but can be coupled with the attitude monitor. This will keep you from needing to buy gauges, but it gives you a lot more bells and whistles that can give you headaches with defueling. That is if you forget you leave them on. The adrenaline box is also popular, as is the TST. Adrenaline's seem to be kind of hit and miss. Some people have them work great and put down excellent numbers, and others have literally had them melt due to over heating. The TST is a very hot box, and is a fueling only box. So unlike the edge and adrenaline, it doesn't add any timing advance. However this more easily allows it to be stacked with a tuner like a smarty, which can be set with or without timing.

Anyways, thats kind of the basics for now. These things are fun little street trucks, with a kind of flawwed injection system (strictly the pump). And it really holds them back from being really competitive as well. But they do alright.
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I personally would go with the 6 speed if you plan on towing or doing heavy work. There is a world of difference between the 5 and 6, Although they say parts are getting harder to find for the 6 speed IDK? The 6 speed is heavier duty and that extra gear is great with a load. I have put 1 tranny in but I work the hell outa the truck more than its ment to do.The autos just don't seem to hold up especially to heavy work or mods The latter the better as far as Dodge And Cummins working out most the bugs. I love my set up and the edge with my HO works great! If little more power after that is really nessacry when the VP. goes (and it will) you can always put on a SO pump. Right off the bat add a Air Dog or FASS. Good luck

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The autos aren't bad, if you build them. Converter and valvebody is about the same as doing a clutch. It really comes down to what do you want to do with the truck?
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Its going to be my DD so it has to as realiable as possible wit the best possible fuel mileage powere is no concern to me at this time i know it takes some cash to make a vp truck have big power. So tell me as to why Cummins made a SO and HO if the SO will outperform the HO? Im really looking at just RC 4x4 wit either 3.73 or 4.10 wit the auto or manual.

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Do the autos or manuals do better on mpg as far as just exhaust and air intake no tuner? What are most you guys seeing out of these trucks running down the road

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Well, the SO doesn't out perform an HO in stock trim. The SO just responds better as the pump has larger plungers and barrels and lower compression. If you are looking for a truck to get good mileage and you aren't looking for a hotrod. I would recommend the HO. I know a couple people with bone stock qclb 4x4 HO's that can pull 23.5mpg. I believe it was Jponder that used an HO RC4x4 to get 30.2mpg as well which is pretty impressive. HO's were probably the best cummins for mileage IMO.
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was that wit an auto or manual and wat gearing?

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