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F-450 or F-550.

I keep on getting different answers from different people on this subject.
With a F-450 or F-550 do you a CDL or somethign special with these trucks to drive them around or are they just like a regular 1 Ton drivers license?
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If you're just driving the truck C is fine. Start adding trailers (non RV) and you'll need to upgrade if you'll be over 26kgcvw I beleive. Might as well get one anyway. You just have to pass a test at the DMV, and a driving test. They come in handy, and you won't have to worry if you're legal:Thumbup:
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26,000 lbs is the magic #. A F-450/550/650 weighs in at - Empty weight - 9,000-13,000 lb range. IF you are using the truck for WORK (getting paid to drive it) then you need to have a DOT # on the side. If you are using for pleasure or play and DO NOT tow a Trailer or keep UNDER 26,000-lbs GCVW, a CDL is not needed.
Example of F-650 that does not need CDL if under 26K GVWR:



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So if I attach my little bitty camper to a F550 I would need a CDL?
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So if I attach my little bitty camper to a F550 I would need a CDL?
I really would like to know too. One person I talked to said only if I had air brakes etc:shrug:
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In Texas it is based on GCWR and I believe the magic # is 26,000 lbs like someone said. You have to find the GVWR of your truck and the GVWR of the trailer you plan to tow, if they add up to more than 26,000 lbs then you will require a Class A CDL. I did the research several years ago when we were buying a trailer and the salesman told us we would need a Class A to pull it, he was wrong. Texas has a chart some where that shows the requirements, if I get a chance in a bit I will try and find it. Seems other states would have this also, could be different state to state. Air brakes require a CDL. I don't think any of these requirements apply to RV's. I wouldn't just get a CDL to have one, blood alcohol levels are more stringent with a CDL even if you are not driving a commercial vehicle, may not matter but who knows.
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So if I attach my little bitty camper to a F550 I would need a CDL?
You CAN tow a trailer, and NOT need a CDL if TOTAL WEIGHT does not exceed 26,000-lbs.
That being said, IF YOU ARE GETTING PAID to drive a Truck or Truck w/Trailer, you need DOT Reg/#'s and you need to stop at DOT scales and a CDL Lic.
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I have a 450 in Michigan. I have a 24000 plate and I need to have Chuffeur License and a Med cert.
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With a 450 or 550 your not gonna need to get a different licencs. If you have your truck and a trailer (gooseneck, king-pin, toung hitch, what ever as long as you dont exceed 26k lbs and get caught youll be fine) If its a private truck your even better because you wont have to stop at scales to get weighed. I have a 1 ton 350 and just got back this moring from Mesquite Nevada pulling over 30k total weight and i never got pulled over or checked. If i would have been asked to be weighed i probally would have gotten a big ticket, but thats the risk i take. Like other guys have said no matter the truck size you should be fine if the total is under 26K

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I live in Texas and I was told by one of the commercial vehicle enforcement officers that if it is recreation only then you don't need a commercial license regardless of weight or air brakes or anything else. Remember, most Class A (diesel pusher type) motor homes weigh in around 30,000 lbs. without a towed vehicle, trailer or boat behind them (and they nearly all have something in tow) and they also have air brakes and big diesel engines and there probably isn't one in a thousand of those old mom and pop's that have a commercial license. They don't need one. He also said that if you are hauling horses to a rodeo to ride to try to win money or show horses for money prises or haul dosers or other construction equipment for use anywhere but on your own farm then it is considered commercial and you better have proper licenses if over the 26,000 gross combined weight, no matter what type of trailer hitch is used. Another thing, not only is the alcohol control tighter on commercial licenses but there are quite a few more requirements that can make getting a commercial license undesirable if you don't really need one. For instance, if you get a ticket, you cannot take defensive driving course and get it dropped. You pay the ticket and it goes on your license. Also if you get a ticket in a state other than your home state, you are required to report it to your home state, just in case the other state doesn't report it to them, then it goes against the point system on your license for license suspension. If it is found out that you didn't report as required there is a big penalty for that. Also the point system is a lot tighter on commercial licenses and quite often the fines for any violation are larger and sometimes have a high minimum fine required. I have had a commercial license for 27 years, used to drive a trailer tanker all over the country hauling hazmat. Been retired for ten years and thinking of giving up the commercial license for all the reasons listed and then some. Gave up hazmat endorsement at last renewal because didn't want to pay for FBI background check that is now required for Hazmat endorsement, when I didn't expect to ever need that type endorsement again.
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