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Oil for JD R and H

Well the stars finally aligned and I have been able to take ownership of some of my grandfather's tractor collection. JD R, JD H, Sheppard Diesel SD-3 and his Case 40 hp steamer.

Going to start the H and R up but they have been sitting 20 + years so I plan to drain oil and fuel replace filters and put new oil/fuel in. Not ready to switch to detergent oil until I have time to pull pans and clean out the crud. So does anyone have the weight and capacity for these two JD's. I don't have manuals yet and will be starting on them in the coming week.

Recommendations on best places to find reasonable price non- detergent oil too.

Appreciate the help and will throw some pictures up soon.

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Here is a link to test results of a 1938 H tractor:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...actormuseumlit

A whopping 12.48 Hp on drawbar pull.

They were using 30w oil and it held 4 Qts.

Here is for 1949 R:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...actormuseumlit

In the R test they used 20W oil

Its a step up in power: 45.69 Hp on the drawbar.

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Here is a link to test results of a 1938 H tractor:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...actormuseumlit

A whopping 12.48 Hp on drawbar pull.

They were using 30w oil and it held 4 Qts.

Here is for 1949 R:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...actormuseumlit

In the R test they used 20W oil

Its a step up in power: 45.69 Hp on the drawbar.
The first family farm tractor was an H. It was used to plow and cultivate 40 acres. Slowly replaced the horses. Looking forward to restoring this one - I used to drive it around as a kid.

Gonna stop by the farm store and see what I can pick up today. I already ordered new filters online for all of the tractors.

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Do not run a multi grade oil in a 2 cylinder. We use a SAE 30W we get at the local CoOp, In all the tractors we restore here. I believe it is a none deterient oil. If it has set for a long time on the H you might put a drop or 2 of oil down in the cylinders from the spark plug holes. Then spin the motor over by hand a couple times. With the R just pull the compression release and roll it over with the starter. Once you get the oil drained you may wish to pour some diesel through the crank case and clean it out a bit. If you do this take the inspection cover off behind the governor housing and keep the oil plug and filter out of it. Don't get carried away but just enough to get the junk out. Also if you take the inspection cover off be sure to replace the cork gasket when you put it back in. You wik, be surprised how many parts are still available at Deere. I suggest using the www.jdparts.com page and signing up (it's free) and download the PDF file of the parts book for each of your deeres. The you can take the part number with most likely start with AR and type it in the search of the site will tell you if your dealer has it, can your order it and how much it will cost. Also check to drain in water out of the transmissions and hydraulic systems as the fluids will float on the water, I would reccamenend changing all fluids before running them at any length. Also check the crankcase oil for presence of fuel, you will be able to tell. If you need help along the way with them Wes Pm me your number and I will be glad to help you out.

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www.tractordata.com is also a good source.

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I also forgot but on your R you will have a V-4 pony motor that is used to start the diesel engine, you will need to make sure it has fresh fuel and good oil in it as well. Pony Motors can be finicky or fire right off, sometime just know the right choke to run settings is key, if I remember correctly you will have to drain the oil from the big motor before the pony. An IT Shop manual would also be a good help for you.

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Here is a link to test results of a 1938 H tractor:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...actormuseumlit

A whopping 12.48 Hp on drawbar pull.

They were using 30w oil and it held 4 Qts.

Here is for 1949 R:

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...actormuseumlit

In the R test they used 20W oil

Its a step up in power: 45.69 Hp on the drawbar.
I am not 100% sure but I believe the 20w oil is for the pony motor and the diesel engine gets 30w

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I&T Shop manual for JD R

I&T Shop Manual for JD H

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I also forgot but on your R you will have a V-4 pony motor that is used to start the diesel engine, you will need to make sure it has fresh fuel and good oil in it as well. Pony Motors can be finicky or fire right off, sometime just know the right choke to run settings is key, if I remember correctly you will have to drain the oil from the big motor before the pony. An IT Shop manual would also be a good help for you.
The R has the two cylinder opposed pony. Everything after had the v4 pony I believe to take up less space.

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Neel, thanks I'm working on getting manuals for all of them. It was actually a surprise as I had given up hope of getting the tractors all together. I put 30w detergent in the H and got her to fire up. One exhaust valve was sticky and still need new points and plugs but she lives again. Planning to drain and change again now that the crude is getting cleaned out. The pony motor on the R is in need of some tlc before she will run. We tried pull starting the main engine but still have some fuel bugs to work out. I'm leaving the oil alone till I get closer to firing. It looks decent and there wasn't any water when I loosened the filter housing and let some oil out. All fluids will get flushed as I get time to work on them. R and H need to be restored but the sheppard just needs some more work on the fuel injection system. Steamer will get some attention next year.

Ran out of time today and will be gone for work the next week or so. Diesels with no electronics are a nice change of pace.


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