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Help - Paint Experts, coding for Oxford White

I'm getting my door, fender, and hood repainted, factory code is Z1 Oxford White. The PPG book at the shop lists a single mix for Z1 and YZ paint codes, and I know they are not the same. My code, Z1, is a bright white and YZ is a creamier white with a grey/tan tone to it. Did PPG drop the ball on this? Can anyone get me the correct mixtures for each so I can show the shop? Thanks!

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you are correct, they are different. you also have different alternates / variances to these colors that should be matched up to achieve the best color match.

i can give you a standard mix formula for Dupont Chroma base or Spies Hecker but i dont have access to PPG

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PPG lists a single formula for both, I have seen Dupont lists two separate formulas. That is the problem I'm running into. The shop uses PPG and is saying it matches "good enough", which didn't make me too happy because I can see the mismatch.

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yes i understand what you are saying.

if you are not happy with what they can provide then i would look for another shop

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Yeah, I'm thinking I'll probably have to take them to court after our last conversation. They're saying they won't repaint it, but will blend at my cost. Sorry, but I don't want the wrong shade blended... Too busy with my thesis right now to deal with it, so in a month or so when I'm finished I'll talk with them some more and go to small claims court if I have to. It is an obvious mismatch and they aren't standing behind the quality of their work.

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Blending is a normal thing and most shops do it . it is the only way that any shop can guarantee you an absolute positive match. it blends the color out so that if there is any difference at all , no matter how slight, your eye can not pick it out. All insurance companies pay for this when you paint a car for repair.

first you have to pick the proper alternate or variance as i said before. lets use your truck as example . Ford builds these trucks in atleast two different plants. both plants spray the same color, which means there are atleast two different batches. Not every batch is the same. so they have to create the alternates for these bathes . now there are not alternates for every single batch or there would be dozens of alternates, but it is not uncommon to have five alternates for one color code.

its like when you buy paint at home depot to paint your living room, you run out of that paint before you finish so you go back to buy more, come home to finish the job and realize there is a slight difference between the first gallon and second. Home depot cant and wont gaurunte each mix is going to be EXACTLY the same .

same is true with car paint so we pick the correct alternate and then blend it out. maybe the picked the wrong alternate or didn't blend the first time . ask them about alternates , tell them you would like to see them.

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I asked what code they painted and they showed me the PPG book which gave just one code for Z1 and YZ combined, no alternates. I don't think PPG lists any alternates for that color, whereas Dupont has different codes for each and possibly alternates. I understand blending is common, but they would be blending the incorrect paint code...

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the way it works is you take your color code Z1 , and enter it in a computer, you tell the computer you want a ford code, then enter the code, it should then spit out the alternates, the are in a different book. the book they showed you is most likely the color library witch only holds the code samples which are only the standard alternate. I would be shocked if PPG did not have an Alternate for your code.

There should absolutely be differnt formulas for each of YZ and Z1. i have worked with Dupont, sickens, and spies hecker through the years and Have never seen those two codes combined

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