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I'm starting the planning stages to swap a '97 12V into a superduty, but I have a few questions.

1. My donor truck is a '97 with a NV4500 that I just recently went through and rebuilt. I looked through the other threads, but noticed that a lot of people were not using dodge transmissions in their swaps. Is there a reason?

2. If I used the dodge transmission and transfercase, how would I get the driveshafts to mate up? Fords use flanges at the transfercase.

3. What would be the best truck to start with. Ive found a couple of older superdutys, '99 and '01 to be exact for about the same price with no drivetrains. One was a diesel and the other was a gasser.

I know these questions are beginer questions, but this is where I need to start the planning stages. Please give me your input!

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It's much easier to use the better ZF6(my opinion) in the swap because of driveshaft mating and mounting, but if you're wanting to save some money on adaptors just spend some time fabbing up tranny mounts and driveshafts. Then, there's always the problems that come with trying to line up floor hump tranny hole and transfer case shifter hole. Much easier to use adaptors to mate the 12V to Ford tranny and TC.

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Thanks for the reply, that is the kind of information that I am looking for. I could probably sell the NV4500 and find a ZF6, but then again, I'd almost rather fab it all up seeing that the adapter alone is $1,000 and that doesn't include the clutch or anything. Idk exactly what I'm going to do, I'm still planning.

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Anybody else have any input for me? I've done some searching online and found a couple of older trucks running the NV4500, but I haven't found any of the '99+ trucks running the NV4500. I guess I'm going to be looking for a ZF6 now:

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I'm starting the planning stages to swap a '97 12V into a superduty, but I have a few questions.

1. My donor truck is a '97 with a NV4500 that I just recently went through and rebuilt. I looked through the other threads, but noticed that a lot of people were not using dodge transmissions in their swaps. Is there a reason?

2. If I used the dodge transmission and transfercase, how would I get the driveshafts to mate up? Fords use flanges at the transfercase.

3. What would be the best truck to start with. Ive found a couple of older superdutys, '99 and '01 to be exact for about the same price with no drivetrains. One was a diesel and the other was a gasser.

I know these questions are beginer questions, but this is where I need to start the planning stages. Please give me your input!
I only know a small amount compared to most guys but ill throw mine out there. The ZF6 is an excellent transmission and is much easier to do because its the one that comes stock in the trucks, therefore it fits perfectly. And as far as the truck to start with you definately want a diesel because there are a few subtle different between the two trucks like a lower rpm tach and a few others. Good luck with the build.

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Well guys, I thought I'd update everybody on the project. I still haven't bought the truck, but I'm piecing everything together so I'm ready when I do get the truck.

I've got the motor and trans out, and have started disassembly. I'm ditching the idea of putting the NV4500 in and going with a BTS built 4r100. I had a built auto in the 6.0 and loved it, plus I just got a job transfer where I have to drive further into the city, so a manual trans isn't as fun in traffic.

So far, the plans for the motor are as follows:

S200 over HT3B
5x.016 injectors
Tuned AFC
Benched pump with 4K springs
60lb. valve springs
Studded and O-ringed head
Slight port job on the head
Ported stock exhaust manifold (until I can afford a 3 piece)
Tunnel ram intake plate

There's probably some more odds and ends I'm forgetting, but that's the list as of now. Hopefully I can get started mocking the turbos up in the next week or two.

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That looks like a fun project! Good luck and keep us updated.

You'll be happy with the BTS 4R100, thats what I have. Be sure to let Brian know it will be behind a 12V. He likes to lower the converter stall speed a bit.

I hope to have mine running in a few weeks

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S200 over 3B? 200 frame is awfully small. 5x.016? those are oversized for a 3B twin set as well. 5x.014 would be better.

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S200 over 3B? 200 frame is awfully small. 5x.016? those are oversized for a 3B twin set as well. 5x.014 would be better.

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When I talked with Lee from Contagious diesel, he said a set of 5x.016 VCO injectors would make a good set up. As far as the S200, I know it's a small frame, but it is 60mm with T4 housing and I got a good deal on it. These are the turbos we run on our farm equipment and we have never had a single problem with them.

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i know your scraping the manual trans idea but im going nv4500 in my 02 because its already a auto truck and has to be cut either way so why not stay with what i have and save all the money and hassle of the adapter plate, starter etc.

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