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low sulfur diesel?

I stopped by a local fuel station and pulled into the pump, when I got out it had a sticker on it that read that the pump contained ultra low sulfur diesel and it WILL cause damage to 2007 and later vehicles. Now how can they be making it so all future diesel be ultra low sulfur diesel when it WILL knowingly cause damage to vehicles? It's not even that it said may, it said it WILL cause damage.

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That is scarey. :shrug:

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Here's a link to the pump label page. The second one is the one you probably saw:

http://api-ep.api.org/publications/i...02000000000000

If the link don't work below are the picts..

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Here's the 3 approved labels. The one you saw was probably the first one.
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so what's the skinny on this "fuel"? Is it going to be down on power, cause some things to wear prematurely, soot things up more, fuel mileage changes, does it do anything to the cetane rating?

I've been noticing the sticker as well.

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Oil companies statment:

Q. How will ULSD fuel affect the power and fuel economy of existing diesel cars, trucks and non-road engines and equipment?
A. Under typical operating conditions, there should be no noticeable impact on overall power using ULSD fuel. Fuel economy may be reduced slightly because the process that removes sulfur also can reduce the energy content of the fuel.

Q. Will I need to put an additive in my fuel tank to replace the lubricity that was provided by the higher sulfur content?
A. Like Low Sulfur Diesel fuel, ULSD fuel requires good lubricity and corrosion inhibitors to prevent unacceptable engine wear. As necessary, additives to increase lubricity and to inhibit corrosion will be added to ULSD fuel prior to its retail sale. With these additives, ULSD fuel is expected to perform as well as Low Sulfur Diesel fuel.

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Yeh thats the on thought it said will thats what lack of sleep does to my memory. Still don't like what it says though.

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Uhmm 500 PPM Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel
is what your putting in your truck now.

ULSD is what is going to be standard in 2007.
Adding some BioDiesel can more than make up for the lubricity lose.
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Uhmm 500 PPM Low Sulfur Diesel Fuel
is what your putting in your truck now.

ULSD is what is going to be standard in 2007.
Adding some BioDiesel can more than make up for the lubricity lose.

Agreed.

Here is pic of the sticker on the pump they just put in at the station nere me. What exactly does the statement about "Its use may damage these vehicles and engines" mean? What will be different about the 2008 and newer diesels. Are they really going to be better equiped to use it?

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I am seeing the same stickers on the diesel pumps here in several eastern N.C. gas stations as all of you are. What is confusing is the sticker here is saying the sulfur content is 500 ppm. It was my understanding that the REAL ULSD is being cut down to 15 PPM!! But,.....I also read and heard that this lower requirement would not be in effect until October 1, 2006. Maybe these early stickers are getting us ready for all of this!:shrug:

In the most recent issue of the "Turbo Diesel Register" (May/June/July 2006)
they have written a very good article about this ULSD fuel. I won't re-write this whole article, but they bring up some things which may be a concern to some of the members here. They talked about "Aromatic Content and Seal Compatibility" in the fuel. This new ULSD fuel apparently is going to be hard on some of the older type mechanical fuel pumps like the P-7100 used in the 94'-98.5 Dodge CTD Trucks in which some of the pumps seals are made from nitril-type rubber. According to the article, Bosch and Cummins has confirmed that the VP-44 Fuel Pump as used in the 98.5-2002 Dodge CTD Pickup Trucks uses a viton type seal which will NOT be affected by the "swelling of the seal" due to the fuel versus that of the nitril-type rubber seals. They also discussed "Fuel Lubricity" in this article. Apparently during the "hydrotreating process" of making the ULSD fuel alot of the sulfur is removed,.. but in doing that the lubricating properties are removed with it!
So,.............if you own an older model 94'-98.5' Dodge CTD with a P-7100 mechanical fuel pump (like I do) I guess we will need to start adding something like "Stanadyne Performance Formula Fuel Additive" along with "Stanadyne Lubricity Formula" to every tank of fuel!! As far as the members with Ford PSD's and Chevy Duramaxes I really don't know what to tell you guys?

It is darn confusing to say the least............................................. .......

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