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Running B100 Need Help

Well I Am Know Running Homemade B100. I Have A Couple Of Questions. 1st The Vegy Oil We Satrted With Came From A Chinese Reastaurant And It Looks Really Nice But It Is Very Dark In Color. Even After We Peocessed It Into Fuel The Glycern Settled Out But Still Remained Very Dark Amber Color. Is This Okay? Also The Truck Seems To Run Fine On It After It Is Warmed Up. But When I Fisrt Start In The Morning In The 55-60 Degree Weather It Idle's Very Rough Spits And Chugs. I Believe This Is From The Fuel Being To Thick As It Looked Thick Even Before I Put Into My Tank. The Truck Runs Fine After The Truck Is Warm. The Final Thing Is This Thing Pours Out The Blue Smoke, Not When I Am On The Throttle Like The Old Black Petro Diesel Smoke, But This Thing Even Just Sitting There Dumps It Out Hot Or Cold. And When Going Down The Road There Is This Blue Haze Every Where I Go. The Smoke Has A Very Strong Smell Mix Of Fryer Oil And Chemicals. I Do Not Thing These Symptoms Are Normal And Would Like To Figure Out Before Next Big Batch. Any Help Would Be Much Appreciated.
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The color of the finished product is normal. My origional oil is as dark as Pepsi but the finished product is so dark you cannot see thought it with out a light source. The thing is make sure it is not hazy or foggy. The color is dirrectly related to the color of the origional oil.

If the oil is to thick it will be hard starting and may be the reason for the blue smoke at idel. What mix are you using. I use 20-22% methenal mix with my oil. . That keeps it running thin and more like actual diesel fuel. When i get on it the truck does smoke blue and it is more then normal diesel but not at idel. I think that is related to the thickness of the oil.

Check your calculations:deal: on the methenal and if you are running less than 20% add more bring it up to 20 and see how that does.

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Thanks For All Your Help, The Last Batch We Made Was 20% Methanol, But I Might Have Calculated A Little Off. It Is Thinner Than Regular Wvo, But Still Seems To Thick For Regular Fuel. But My Fuel Is Clean Not Hazy Or Cloudy. It Sounds Like All Of My Problems May Be Related To The Thickness Of The Fuel Itself. I Was Told By A Diesel Tech That The Truck Smooths Out After It Is Warm, Because It Thins Out The Fuel As It Warms Up. Makes Me Feel Better That Your Fuel Is Dark As Well, Mine Starts Out As Dark As Cola As Well, And When Finished Need A Light Behind It To Really Be Able To See Through. Thanks For All Your Help
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No problem sounds like your on your way just fine.:Thumbup: . Let me know if you need any other help .. It sounds like our oil is about the same if not real close.

My truck seems to love the home brew. It runs quieter and i think it is more responsive than normal petro diesel.
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You shouldn't be having those issues with your truck even at those temps. It almost sounds like incomplete processing going on. The truck warming up and it smoothing out kind of confirms that. You can have product that isn't completely processed look crystal clear. That is what you look for to make sure it is dry. How long do you let it process before you drain off the glycerin? How do you wash it? Reprocess a liter of your fuel to confirm it is completely processed. You need to do this before you wash it. You can use the Dr. Pepper method for that. The Dodge's love this stuff and there shouldn't be any side effects to running it.

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I was thinking incomplete processing too.

Re-process, then titrate future batches.

Are you washing the BD?


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We Did Not Wash The Bd, No One Around Here Does, So We Thought We Would Try A Batch With Out Washing. We Mixed The Fuel With The Methoxide For Half An Hour And Then Let Settle For 2 Days Before We Drained The Glycern. It Looked Like We Had Great Seperation And Nice And Clean Fuel On Top And Clear Dark Line Of Glycern On Bottom. How Long Do You Guys Let Fuel Mix, And How Long Do You Guys Let Fuel Settle Before Draining Glycern?
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The mixing sounds ok. I mix for an hour but 1/2 hour should be ok if your methoxide is right and the temp stays up. I would definately wash the fuel though. The first time you wash it and see how much crap comes out in the wash water you will do it from then on. Washing can also help correct some minor mistakes in your processing steps. It will strip out any excess methanol and also grab some of the suspended FFA's that may still be hanging around. Do you mix aggressivly for the 1/2 hour? If you aren't, you need to. Or you need to extend the mixing time to an hour if you aren't.

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Sounds Good What Process Do You Use For Washing? We Will Bump Our Mix Time Up To An Hour To Ensure A Complete Reaction. I Appreciate The Input So Far. Also Does Anyone Know How The 6.5l Chevy Motors Like The B100, If I Can Get This Stuff Figured Out I Am Going To Put My Wife In A 6.5l Diesel Suburban. Thanks For All The Help So Far.
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I mist wash and drain then mist again and bubble wash over night with a third wash if needed. You can see my process here

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