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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 11-30-2006, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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Biodiesel cold weather results-

We tried a little experiment yesterday to see what the truth is regarding Biodiesel and cold weather. Its currently about 32 in Dallas. All three trucks are 05 6.0’s with aftermarket between frame rail aluminum 50gal tanks. All had block heaters plugged in.

- T1 has B5 and started fine, runs great.
- T2 has B20, started ok, and runs great.
- My toy with B100, still won’t start……………………..no fuel pressure.

Dang it, I wanted to make big donuts in the Wally World parking lot.
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Would an anti-gel additive work on bio-diesel as well?

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I use B100 and tested some different anti jel had no luck. it raised the jell point but not by much all gelled at about 27 deg. So in the winter i run 50/50 WVO(waist veggie oil) and diesel.

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I usually run B50 during the winter, and I also did some experiments w/ anti-gel and had no significant change.

There is an anti-gel for B100 on the market, but its mail or internet order only. I've never tested it though.

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wow 32. just wait till it goes mainstream like up here you wont be liking it so much.
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Somebody makes an antigel that works right away. I just can't remember who right now. I think you pour it in the engine mounted fuel filter. I wonder if this would work if you put some in the filter and in the fuel tank? :shrug:
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Normal Diesel Anti-Gel will NOT have any affect on high concentrations of Bio. You need an Anti-Gel designed for BIO. I was not aware there was one, but obviously as 6_Myles stated somebody has come out with one. The Chemical makeup of Bio and Petro is different, that is why it burns with different byproducts, and has different energy ratings.

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Found it, I though it was made by PowerService:

http://www.powerservice.com/arcticexp_bd_antigel.asp

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Found it, I though it was made by PowerService:

http://www.powerservice.com/arcticexp_bd_antigel.asp


...I think I may have to invest in some of this stuff when it gets too cold down here?. Ive been running the 'DSE' blend first, in my 04 F350 for about almost 6months before I traded it for my new 06 F350 back in September. I now run the same DSE 'Biodesel' in my 06 for alittle over a month now at approx. 50/60% veggy to #2 Diesel..

Well, the day after Thanksgiving I went to start my truck up in the morning after temps dipped into 50's & truck ran about 3 minutes or so at high idle(1200rpm with upfitter switch) & then engine died down & shut off! Im like WTF?:shrug: I had a strong inclination it was fuel issue. I check the filter on top of engine, no problem all clean, fuel level low. So I have my wife cycle key a couple of times & fuel rises. I then start truck, no problem. I say to myself, I better have a look at rail filter under truck. I shut her down & pull the rail filter & for the first time, I find the entire circumference of filter plugged solid with a tan like 'greasy' substance. I was pretty shocked to say the least as I filter the hell out of my waste oil!! Im like, what happened here? Ive never encountered this issue as Ive 'filtered & blended' well over 250 gal or so of oil & NEVER EVER had this issue!:shrug:

I commence to cleaning filter, which btw cleaned real quick & easy with mineral spirits. I put filter back on & drive down the road a couple of miles & the engine starts to loose power & eventaully die! Now Im getting nervous. I pull to the side of road, remove rail filter again & find it clogged completely, yet again! I wipe & 'sling' filter of what looks & feels to be like a 'wax' or gel/greasy substance :shrug: I put filter back in & start truck, which this time ran with a miss, which obviously was injector(s) not filled with fuel & 'dry firing' as I would describe it, which I know is no good for them! So, I cycled engine on & off a minute or two until engine smoothed out. (I didnt want to damage injectors!) So, I drive truck back to my place & again pull rail filter & this time I saw about a 1/4 of the filter covered with grease. So, I clean it yet again & decided to drive it one more time about 6 miles total & if it was still clogged I would drain tank. Well, I made it back with no issues & I checked rail filter one more time & to my relief, NO MORE GREASE!!
Perfectly clean! :shrug: :Thumbup:

I guess, somehow, because of the low temps, some of the 'blended' fuel mustve gelled/congealed whatever? Now Ive been running an anti gelling additive from DSE, but maybe cause I was running a #2 mix with veggy oil, it wasnt enough? :shrug: It hasnt happened again since last week & Ive already added another 18gallons of 'veggy mix' to my tank & have had ZERO issues...albiet, no low outside temps!:shrug:

Sorry about the long rant, but I felt like sharing the experience

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Now I'm not 100% sure of this, but I do remember reading that the mixing of WVO & #2 would cause a parrifin wax fall out of the WVO. That could have been what the grease was, but again I wouldn't bet the farm on my memory.

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