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WD w/ a dump trailer

My brother has an Expedition which is rated to tow 10K. I find that hard to believe but that's what he told me. Apparently it has air bags.

He's going to begin building his house and he wants to get a dump trailer. This is it:
http://www.rpmtt.com/html/rpm0213.html

The specific trailer (7' X 14') he's looking at is rated to carry a 12,000 lb load.

He has no interest in buying a truck. Is it possible to install a good weight distribution hitch in order to make this a safer rig? From what I understand, the trailer has a boxed frame.

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I'd suggest adding another transmission cooler in there as well.

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Well, it does not HAVE to be filled

The thing about getting towed with 17k behind the car may cause unkind things to happen with the warranty.

Add the tires, check the manufactures sticker on the car ( 8800 is normal for 8 bolts with a full float rear ) and get a real weight on the trailer. That gives you a few real data points for deciding on.

Trailers over 10k can lead to a CDL - after a fine. Check the local law. Building a house might make him a contractor.

That said I pulled a 16x6 dump trailer for most of a year with a 99 Dodge, new driver made 5 weeks on the same route, 3 weeks on the rebuilt trans (auto) and less than a week on the second rebuild. Then the boss gave him a 94 Chev gas.

Trailer Life magazine publishes a listing of the avail tow ratings or look at the same power train in a pickup, most are 1/2 ton rated.

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Anyone wanna' take a stab at what might be the typical tongue weight for this kind of trailer, loaded?

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Depends on how it is loaded - 10% is most quoted.

Four hundred is not real heavy empty and with 10k in the box 1000 # is the normal scale for the stuff I pulled. Shift the center of the load 5 in and change the hitch about 100#.

Gross Combined Vehical Weight is the magic number and the empty trailer is close to 1/2 of the remainder after the cars weight is subtracted.

Worst case - car weights 5k - trailer weights 4k leaves 1k for cargo.

Equlizer hitch is not an option, it would be required , brakes required all wheels, cop unfriendly - CDL required and the vehical may be impounded.

Drop the GVW on the trailer under 10k, most of the problems go away.

Same trailer different lable.

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My brother has an Expedition which is rated to tow 10K. I find that hard to believe but that's what he told me. Apparently it has air bags.

He's going to begin building his house and he wants to get a dump trailer. This is it:
http://www.rpmtt.com/html/rpm0213.html

The specific trailer (7' X 14') he's looking at is rated to carry a 12,000 lb load.

He has no interest in buying a truck. Is it possible to install a good weight distribution hitch in order to make this a safer rig? From what I understand, the trailer has a boxed frame.
To answer your question, Yes it is very possible and very easy! I would get a PRO series made by reese! It is a very good buy for the money and about as universal as they come. The kit included everything you need except a ball! For your set up your gonna want a 1000# bar set up! The number 1000 comes from the tongue weight plus added weight to the rear of the tow vehical ie- Tools! Hope that helps!
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I have a 14 x 6 1/2 PJ goose neck dump trailer and I would not want to use a bumper pull, before you buy it you want to take it for a drive and try, backing it up and parking it in an exact location. I have a 3500 crew cab long box and it is hard enough to park.
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I have a 14 x 6 1/2 PJ goose neck dump trailer and I would not want to use a bumper pull, before you buy it you want to take it for a drive and try, backing it up and parking it in an exact location. I have a 3500 crew cab long box and it is hard enough to park.
The guy has no choice. He has an Expedition.

I have no choice, either. I have a utility body truck and a dumptruck. Both have to use a bumper pul.
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If you go with the Reese get the cams - much better anti-sway.

I used Reese with the cams to pull a 24 ft enclosed race trailer with a 1/2 ton Ford van. I pulled it with a friends ton truck without the cams and pulled the 3 3500# axles on Monday to put 2 6000# under it so that it would follow without the cams.

With the friction anti sways if you get bent it wants to stay in the turn mode - NOT what I want in snow, rain or ice.

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