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Not to be the negative guy in the bunch. I love diesels and everything about them. But don't you think a gas engine is more practical for a 1/2 ton. I mean with diesel prices 40 cents higher than gas and gas engines in 1/2 ton pickups getting 17 to 18 mpg nowdays. You can't really pull loads with 1/2 tons. You don't have to sit and let the gas warm up for 20 minutes either. I'm just throwing this out there to get some opinions and maybe even change my point of view.

Drop 8,000 pounds worth of toy hauler on the bumper of any half ton, and then you will know why diesels are so much better in a 1/2 ton if you tow.......I am also sure that a diesel in a 1/2 ton will be somewhere in the mid 20's mpg range too!!
 

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First off why would i want a halfton to pull 8000 pounds on the bumper???

I mean thats hard on transmissions,rear ends, and suspension parts.

Again im not here to start arguements
 

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:shrug: You have a point
 

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that's why i think the new Tundra is stupid, they're advertising a half-ton as expensive as 3/4 tons with less capabilities than said 3/4 ton, and they're doing it against 1/2 tons to make them look special
 

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circle5 said:
First off why would i want a halfton to pull 8000 pounds on the bumper???

I mean thats hard on transmissions,rear ends, and suspension parts.

Again im not here to start arguements
Your points are all good ones.

I think part of the reason for the emergence of the 1/2 ton diesel is aimed at the guy who just wants a macho diesel truck that is the same physical size as a 3/4-1 ton, but really has no need to tow a big trailer of carry heavy weight.

More image than need, if you know what I mean.

The fact that they're capable of 50% better fuel mileage than a gas counterpart is where the reast of the reason for a 1/2 ton diesel is aimed at.
 

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It might also take the place of the guy who owns a diesel because he has to run thousands of miles in a month and needs the durability of the diesel engine without the suspension and frame
 

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It might also take the place of the guy who owns a diesel because he has to run thousands of miles in a month and needs the durability of the diesel engine without the suspension and frame
Maybe, but then that particular guy is more of a candidate for a hybrid or a small diesel car if he MUST have a diesel.

Why run a empty diesel full size truck of any kind if the duty of the vehicle is simply commuting thousands of miles a month? :shrug:
 

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well, yeah, but those guys don't always run empty, I know in my truck I can haul almost a ton and still have some play in my suspension, so it could be feasible for someone to haul or tow light loads that don't warrant an HD but still want the power and reliability of a diesel
 

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that's why i think the new Tundra is stupid, they're advertising a half-ton as expensive as 3/4 tons with less capabilities than said 3/4 ton, and they're doing it against 1/2 tons to make them look special

great post:Thumbup: I really hope these half-ton diesels work out because when i get enough money i would love to have one! just like me and duke have been saying before i think the main selling point of these things will be plenty of power with fuel economy. Besides possibly price being a factor why wouldn't someone who has a 5.3 v8 half-ton want to upgrade to 4.5 diesel that is not only going to pull there load alot better but get better fuel economy doing so.
 

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i think the 1/2 ton diesels are going to be a god send for small service type businesses. my dad does property maintenance and i used to work for a buddy that builds custom cabinets. both of them need a pick-up for the bed as well as towing light loads. i know when i built cabinets we would tow a full kitchen cabinet set on a small flatbed with the companies '01 1/2 ton dodge 4x4 all the time and it would cut the fuel mileage in half. do the math it adds up. there wasn't a need for a 3/4 or 1 ton because the loads were small. put that load behind a 1/2 ton diesel and it would be a much better tow, better fuel milage, plus more engine longevity. i imagine it would even be easier on the engine/trans than a gasser due to the torque. now, that is a small load. as said before there WILL be those guys that think that it will pull anything like a 1 ton, but they are already out there doing the same with the ford and chevy 1500 hd gassers. overall i think they will be great for the right buyers.

on the suburban thing, there is a company in colorado that custom builds diesel burbs. i'll look for the link, i have it some place. i have read a little bit on them, but all i know is they cost an arm and a leg to get done.
 

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Dodge put a small v8 diesel in the 1500 and it got 24.6 mpg (2wd) Then they put it in a Durango and got 25mpg. That is 25% better fuel economy than my 05 duramax. I don't need a 3/4 ton very often so a half would work well.
 

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Are we forgetting about the advantages of Diesel engines in general?

Low end torque
Being able to run off of Biodiesel you can cook up in your kitchen
Longevity
Less pollution
Safety in more ways then one.
and What about fuel economy?

I don't mean to bash everyone that has posted on this thread. But what gives?
 

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Phily 911 said:
Are we forgetting about the advantages of Diesel engines in general?

Low end torque
Being able to run off of Biodiesel you can cook up in your kitchen
Longevity
Less pollution
Safety in more ways then one.
and What about fuel economy?

I don't mean to bash everyone that has posted on this thread. But what gives?

couldn't agree more, and to the guy above me because of all the EPA laws it doesn't look like you will see black smoke poaring out of a tahoe. Unless of course you put some money into it.:Thumbup:
 

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Saw a small write up in Hot Rod. Sure sounds like a cool project, especially the reverse breathing design.
 

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Chevypowa670 said:
couldn't agree more, and to the guy above me because of all the EPA laws it doesn't look like you will see black smoke poaring out of a tahoe. Unless of course you put some money into it.:Thumbup:
Not likely unles you remove the DPF. And more.
 

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Dodge has a Cummins 5.6L V-8 thats slated to produce 300hp/420tq(520 sounds better??) as well as a Cummins V-6
Ford it NOT going to be using any navistar products, but a colaborative effort with european companies Pugeot and citroen, called the Ford/PSA LION v-8 4.4L 350hp/500tq
 

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The only thing that makes me nervous is this motor is 100% GM designed. Isuzu didn't help. I hope they learned a few things from helping with the 6.6
 

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Does anyone have any information on what dodge is going to with there light-duty diesel. We know what GM has for us and after reading this thread i see maybe what ford has got, but nothing from dodge yet.
Dodge already has a light duty diesel. It's in the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It's still unknown weather or not they're going to drop it in the 1500, but since Chrysler is re-working their entire lineup, they probably don't even know what's going on just yet. The diesel in the Jeep is a detuned version of the one that's in the Mercedes SUV.
 

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Dodge already has a light duty diesel. It's in the Jeep Grand Cherokee. It's still unknown weather or not they're going to drop it in the 1500, but since Chrysler is re-working their entire lineup, they probably don't even know what's going on just yet. The diesel in the Jeep is a detuned version of the one that's in the Mercedes SUV.
A 3.0L diesel in the 1500?? lol how about the 5.6L v-8 cummins??? sounds a litte better to me!:Thumbup:
 
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