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Wow. Either somebody is not really a Cat mechanic or they are not allowed to take turbos off at that stealership,
manifolds erode in the real world especially in certain engines.

Kurt THANK YOU for sharing more of your wisdom one the electronic injector.
The part about the solenoid becoming a linear generator under high pressure conditions makes perfect sense.

Some times I think the arrogance of a hired on mechanic is laughable, nothing invested but their toolbox and they know how to run somebodies else business.

jcr here is something to think about: aliens come and kidnap all you superhero dealer "mechanics" : the skilled drivers will keep their iron running.
Aliens kidnap all the drivers your sorry ***** starves.
 

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dont want or need your respect,,will that manifold cause that big of a problem ,or would something else be weak first,i dont need your input ok,i think i called when i ask you a couple of ? you searched internet all night looking for answer ,still havent got them
LOL

You called me for an answer to a question you had.........right.

You are a funny man, because now you're admitting you don't know all the answers LOL

I would certainly go out of my way to answer a question for you(SARCASM)

Yes that burnt out MBN exhaust manifold will create that much of a problem. I've seen people increase the fuel mileage by 1.5 mpg after replacing a bad exhaust manifold. This response again shows us how little you care to learn from others on this forum.
 

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Wow. Either somebody is not really a Cat mechanic or they are not allowed to take turbos off at that stealership,
manifolds erode in the real world especially in certain engines.

Kurt THANK YOU for sharing more of your wisdom one the electronic injector.
The part about the solenoid becoming a linear generator under high pressure conditions makes perfect sense.

Some times I think the arrogance of a hired on mechanic is laughable, nothing invested but their toolbox and they know how to run somebodies else business.

jcr here is something to think about: aliens come and kidnap all you superhero dealer "mechanics" : the skilled drivers will keep their iron running.
Aliens kidnap all the drivers your sorry ***** starves.
that is funny
thanks for the laugh
 

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Cat mechanic jr, you want to argue too much.Your mistake here was starting out putting all drivers in one class.Being a dealer mechanic my self for 39 years I also have repaired many screw up repairs done at home but there is some sharp drivers or owners that know from doing it.I my self have made the mistake of saying something like stupid drivers but some like one here Mr Haney has leaned me some things I did not know.Most of the dealer mechanics are not into big power as much as trying to repair with out changing a lot of unnecessary parts.Doing warranty you have to replace the proper part the first time or the dealer pays so we don't get to play around with different setups for more power or fuel mileage.There is other drivers here that I have learned from also so cat mechanic get over it and listen up some.
 

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never will ask you to answer a question,i ask those ?s for a reason ,this is the response that i was sure of , ,if its not on PDI pamplet you will be in trouble , is manifold his problem , trying to help people who need it ,you dont need help right,ok ,
 

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I have the utmost respect for Cat, their products, and their mechanics. I have been around some incredibly fine "out of the box thinkers" that were field mechanics on the construction equipment side, as well as fantastic dealer truck shops (Western States truck shop).

The distinction between making ones living working on trucks and equipment, and making ones living with trucks and equipment should not be overlooked.

When spending 3000 hours or more behind the wheel of a truck per year, an intelligent owner operator will know every detail of his/her truck, and the slightest change in sound/smell/fuel mileage/boost pressure/response etc. will be noticed. This is a business, and attention to such details can save money.

Add to that the mechanical knowledge that so many on this forum have through experience on their own equipment, and their willingness to take the time to share with those of us who are not as mechanically inclined, provides people like myself a tremendous resource, free of charge.

JR Cat Mechanic, if your work is done with the same high standard as your posts on this forum (sarcasm - at least try to use proper sentence structure, capitalization, etc.) then I will choose to listen and learn from the other contributors who have made their living with trucks, not just on them.

I suspect that you have good information to contribute, but please don't be so quick to put others, who have proven themselves on this forum, down. Every enlightened person knows that knowone has all the answers, and that there is something to learn from everyone else.
 

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first line ,
I assume this is the first line you refer to?
varying voltage an pulsewidth opens solenoid ,longer ,shorter,as the demand changes an or is ask for by the ecm per flash an fuel #s,not reading sis or service manual
mmmmmm I think you need to read Kurts explanation AGAIN and how the solenoid draws the Armature plate to the Coil and how it manages to hold it and what Influences it to Modulate.
Pulse width is only one function that "influences" the Fuel by volume injected on any given cycle... The Pulse width is a variable as such in time and strength influenced by the ECMM itself. There is many other elements that alter what the ECM wants!!!!!!!!

Don't feel bad you don't understand this as 99% of people don't!!. Until you have witnessed it on a Fuel test bench with and oscilloscope you will never understand it...

However if you don't understand it and clearly you don't wouldn't it be wiser to ask and be polite to people who have the knowledge? Your attitude leaves a bit to be desired I feel.
 

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wow you still on this ,have we heard all your thoughts, ,well ,no apoligy here,thats it you can spout all you want ,im sure i will be fine ,ok other than that quit whining ok,i think theres a lot of things you are missing ,really,oh yes ,i grew with a fleet of trucks in my yard ,i chose a different path,glad i did,please read someone elses posts,if my grammar is the problem ,well ,i fix things ,dont teach grammar or public speaking ,
 

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remember in life if your not riding the wave of change your underneath it,ok,
But first you need to understand that you're underneath the wave to be able to change


I assume this is the first line you refer to?

mmmmmm I think you need to read Kurts explanation AGAIN and how the solenoid draws the Armature plate to the Coil and how it manages to hold it and what Influences it to Modulate.
Pulse width is only one function that "influences" the Fuel by volume injected on any given cycle... The Pulse width is a variable as such in time and strength influenced by the ECMM itself. There is many other elements that alter what the ECM wants!!!!!!!!

Don't feel bad you don't understand this as 99% of people don't!!. Until you have witnessed it on a Fuel test bench with and oscilloscope you will never understand it...

However if you don't understand it and clearly you don't wouldn't it be wiser to ask and be polite to people who have the knowledge? Your attitude leaves a bit to be desired I feel.
The "Professor" himself has spoken LOL

Please understand that this gentleman isn't willing to learn, let alone admit that there is more to learn about the venerable yellow motors. You'll only increase the gray hair content on the top of your head if you try LOL. If you need to unwind a lil bit.....take the UTE for a high speed ride.........just don't let the constable catch you doing it

You have a package on its way to you, it left yesterday and its scheduled arrival date is 6-17
 

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...howse about you giving it a rest like a mature adult instead of encouraging dissenntion on a pretense from the peanut gallery?
Just a thought. ROGER
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He isn't the peanut gallery. He actually can teach and has great knowledge of anything related to the yellow motors. He gave me enough knowledge to understand the injector function. This is why my truck has done well in dyno contests with a much smaller injector in it than anybody else has used in the past, including the PDI dyno/show truck. Fuel management is much more important than fuel quantity during the injection cycle when building big Hp in these electronic engines
 
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