[Robts]

yes I have gottin things no one has been able to get first. So it is possible I guess. Show us some proof is all we are asking.

The thread is PCM locked. That is why I kept on eye on this thread. Nothing in the computer world is locked.

Sorry...I was going to post another video but think I would get banned

 

[Robts]

Wait....It looks like the pcm got unlocked

 

[uga33]

If I had proof, I would. But I have heard this from a reliable source. I can't prove anything with a photo or a video, so call me crazy all ya want. I was told this sitting in the staging lane at a drag strip last fall by someone who was getting the 275 tune dialed in at the time. The description I was given of the motor, especially describing the turbo system, was spot on when the motor specs were released to the public. Imagine the look on my face when a single sequential system was trying to be explained! Anyway, call me crazy but when I read the release about the motor I believed every word I was told because it was spot on from what we know now.

 

[Lubbockguy1979]

Well I have read where ford has updated the flashes on current trucks and some of the tuning vendors are struggling to get tunes for them. Bullydong is one of the more recent ones. But it seems the sct tuning crowd is not having the same issues... I think cracking the software strongly depends on the equipment used. I'd really like to hear more about spartan fixing glitches in software... Or some of the spartan guys confirming that they had their hands on a truck. Pictures would also be great. I get what ford position on tuning is. I imagine though that having a desirable truck to modfy would boost sales. Look what the 6.4 will do compared to any of the other trucks with about $2500 invested. They are very impressive. And seem to hold together in the 13 and lower track times

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

Im fairly certian that if Matt or Nutty felt the need to coment on this they would have. Im also fairly certian that if there was no validity to these statements they would have spoken up to debunk any rumours. Their silence on this matter speaks louder then any of the nay sayers.

 

[Parts Jimmy]

Per http://www.spartandieseltech.com/

At Spartan Diesel Tech, you'll find a large assortment of specialty parts and products for both your 6.4 Powerstroke Diesel and the upcoming 6.7 Scorpion Diesel that you won't find anywhere else.

Does that mean that they have done the programming on a 6.7? I seriously doubt it however It does create the rumor that they are ahead of everyone else in the marketplace. This in my opinion is good marketing. Will they be the first to crack the code? Who knows? That is all this rumor is. "MARKETING."

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

well i guess that settles it...:whip

 

[kind]

I was trying to get a crate 6.7 and 6 speed for a drag project I wanna put it in and a guy from Ford and Ford racing said they didn't want any part of removing the emission crap off or anything that condones it. To which I said, but ya'll are all about aftermarket companies tuning new mustangs. He just stubbled over his words and couldn't reply lol. Ford knows damn well a very good portion of us will remove that crap no matter what and if they made it impossible to tune they would lose sales. They are a very large corporation that know how to stay politically correct. I would expect them to say the pcm is locked. I would also expect them to give Spartan a test mule and for Spartan to keep it to themselves. Ford knows if there is a tuner out there the day the trucks hit dealer lots the sales will be way higher. Like I said they are about being politically correct. Just look at the hybrid junk, anyone with half a brain knows the electric power plants that you need to recharge your car pollute more then our tuned diesels but it looks better to the general public and is politically correct.

 

[Parts Jimmy]

I would expect them to say the pcm is locked. I would also expect them to give Spartan a test mule and for Spartan to keep it to themselves.

Ford is all about getting the price of stock higher. A high warranty rate hurts this. High warranty rates hurt sales and creates a lot of problem for dealer techs. This new engine is all Ford. No Navistar to blame here.

Would you allow this if it was your money (or investors) and you had to stand behind it?

Go get you a 2011 and reflash it. Hope it stays together because I will bet that dealer turning their head becomes a thing of the past. Heck the engine probably will only retail for $14k. (I am guessing)

 

[forcefed6.4ford]

Have you seen the specs on this new engine? Either they are building it to last 5million miles(Bad for the investers. No on would have to buy another truck). OR. They know full well that the after market is going to throw major hp at them. The tranny is rated for 1400ft/lbs. Come on. They know. And they want in on the action.

Just because you or others that figure they know what realy going on. Doesnt mean that it didnt happen. My ford dealership asks me about this new engine because I know more then they do. And thats not much.

 

[kind]

Ford is all about getting the price of stock higher. A high warranty rate hurts this. High warranty rates hurt sales and creates a lot of problem for dealer techs. This new engine is all Ford. No Navistar to blame here.

Would you allow this if it was your money (or investors) and you had to stand behind it?

Go get you a 2011 and reflash it. Hope it stays together because I will bet that dealer turning their head becomes a thing of the past. Heck the engine probably will only retail for $14k. (I am guessing)

I'm well aware that Ford is becoming more strict with the mods. I just brought my 450 in and the dealer wanted me to take off my cai to replace a egr valve. I've been buying new diesels since 03 when the 6.0 came out and this is the first time my dealer has told me to make sure it is stock.

However if I were Ford or any other manufacturer I would build my in house motor to accomidate the aftermarket. There is to much money in the performance world for any manufacture to ignore it. If we look at the new 6.7 it would appear Ford took that into consideration with certain parts being easier to remove and a stronger platform in general. They just can't come out a say we made it easy for the aftermarket cuz the epa would be on their buts. Ford and its shareholders know how much money they would lose if they made this motor near impossible to tune. I would never buy anything I can't modify. Stock is boring. I'm sure many people on here would agree. The biggest benefit to Ford building inhouse is they have complete control over quality control. The money they don't have to pay Navistar for motors now will go into better parts. I think Ford wants a 6.7 to run good with 1000hp. Even if someone only runs a cai, they know their truck has the durability to push big power. And in the diesel world where most new trucks get tuned, as a owner knowing the motor has that potential will sell more then the creature comforts alone. Dodge is a perfect example. Most people buy a Dodge for the durable Cummins, not the megacab.

 

[08stroker250]

To the non believers, these are direct post from Matt Geouge and Nutty themselves on a public forum about the 6.7 Power Stroke....so I can't get in trouble. (don't think they care anyway)

This was a post Matt made to a member doubting the technology behind the 6.7....

Not trying to be arrogant, but "it also might be worse than what it replaces" won't fly. Ive sat in one. I've driven one. I talk to a handful of the development engineers on virtually a daily basis. Scott (our head calibrator) has too.

It is as good or better an engine than the 6.4L. Yes, there is more emissions equipment. All of which are revised designs from what is equipped on the 6.4L and are far less prone to failure. The SCR is the only unfielded component, but has undergone a very large amount of testing.

The 6R140 transmission is physically stronger than the 5R110, and when calibrated properly will handle power levels that the stock 5R110 hardware will not.

It has an air-to-water intercooler. It has a VGT turbocharger with a mechanical wastegate. It has a 4-piston common rail injection pump. It has heads the size of a small house anchored to the block with the force of GOD and other design implementations that I could only WISH showed up on the market years ago. The 2-piece crankcase design used is even stronger than what is currently used in the 6.0/6.4L crankcases. The compacted graphite iron crankcase and alloy aluminum heads have very advanced metallurgy that you won't find anywhere else currently other than some of the higher end european cars.

Peak tuned power levels will be comparable to what we are seeing with the 6.4L (with totally stock parts) with, IMO, enhanced durability. Small bolt-on parts will *perhaps* make it even more capable.

When all aspects of engineering are looked at objectively (power, drivability, emissions, NVH, ect) there has not been a step backward in any progressing generation of the Powerstroke. 7.3 < 6.0 < 6.4 < 6.7.

The 7.3L has a garbage lower engine design (by today's standards) and a garbage injection system. The 6.0 has a garbage injection system and an emissions system with no durability. The 6.4L has, at worst, a questionable emissions system. The 6.7 for all practical purposes has none of the forementioned issues.

So to address your statement, yes, it is amazing.

Nutty posting on another forum about the apparent PCM locked issue....

Member Post - "Would anyone like to elaborate on this Cough Cough MATT!

Im planning on buying a 6.7 but if the ecm is locked I will not be buying one."

Nutty response....

Anything that can be done can also be undone!

Nutty

 

[Robts]

so there it is...says nothing about tuning it or having it on a Dyno....

 

[Hollywood]

It also doesn't say they didn't.....

It comes back to that who you know thing again; IF they did get it for a day to play with are they going to tell YOU?? No they would keep it quiet so they dont ruin their chance next time.

 

[08stroker250]

so there it is...says nothing about tuning it or having it on a Dyno....

This was a post in response to a post I made about the 6.7 tuning Spartan will provide. He made this post on 9/10/09.....

First test flashes will be performed this year. Product should be ready to roll at vehicle release:thumb:

You also need to read a little closer in the quoted post I posted from Matt above. If you read certain parts the right way, you will understand a little better.

 

[4613]

so there it is...says nothing about tuning it or having it on a Dyno....

Hello,well what did you find out????Are you going to admit that the truck WAS NOT DRIVEN BY A FORD REP??????We all know who you work for...please don't respond with the same info!Thanks

 

[Robts]

Hello,well what did you find out????Are you going to admit that the truck WAS NOT DRIVEN BY A FORD REP??????We all know who you work for...please don't respond with the same info!Thanks

I talked to a few people and they havent heard of a dealer getting a pre-production truck. Only a hand few of dealers got trucks and they were high volumes dealerships accross the US. I talked to S.Nowacyzk who is on the vehicle program launch team and he said there were several publicty stunts done before the availing at the texas fair. There were about 20 trucks going accross the country with a team from their advertising company they use called DST Industries out of Romulas Mi. Some where in Semi trailers and were brought out at events and some where just parked in parking lots to see the attention it got. He stated there were a few that did truck pulls across the country. Some pulled mamoth loads including huge boats on holiday weekends to get attention. All this was done through DST and a team of Engineers.

I also talk to a few guys at KTP today,,,mainly since we have a kit going to be installed in a few weeks on the expedition parts. Some them laughed when I told them about that dealership. They said that was a small dealer and Ford would rather give the dealership downtown Lousiville a truck.

 

[Robts]

Hello,well what did you find out????Are you going to admit that the truck WAS NOT DRIVEN BY A FORD REP??????We all know who you work for...please don't respond with the same info!Thanks

you know it seems fishy. Are you a dealer since 90% of your thread are involved selling new or almost new items. I did notice quite of few SCT and DPF deletes for sale. .....just seems funny....only 60 post and quick to argue and also selling new items on the foresale forum. Us vendors know of basement vendors who dont pay to sell items.

 

[4613]

you know it seems fishy. Are you a dealer since 90% of your thread are involved selling new or almost new items. I did notice quite of few SCT and DPF deletes for sale. .....just seems funny....only 60 post and quick to argue and also selling new items on the foresale forum. Us vendors know of basement vendors who dont pay to sell items.

Hello,why have you not answered the question?I like to try ALL of the products on the market...I wish I was a dealer.I pay retail and sell for what ever I can get for the product after I have tried it.I know who you work for!:damnit

 

[4613]

I talked to a few people and they havent heard of a dealer getting a pre-production truck. Only a hand few of dealers got trucks and they were high volumes dealerships accross the US. I talked to S.Nowacyzk who is on the vehicle program launch team and he said there were several publicty stunts done before the availing at the texas fair. There were about 20 trucks going accross the country with a team from their advertising company they use called DST Industries out of Romulas Mi. Some where in Semi trailers and were brought out at events and some where just parked in parking lots to see the attention it got. He stated there were a few that did truck pulls across the country. Some pulled mamoth loads including huge boats on holiday weekends to get attention. All this was done through DST and a team of Engineers.

I also talk to a few guys at KTP today,,,mainly since we have a kit going to be installed in a few weeks on the expedition parts. Some them laughed when I told them about that dealership. They said that was a small dealer and Ford would rather give the dealership downtown Lousiville a truck.

I call BS.The Downtown ford is about the same same as the one in Buckner.It was fun conversing w/you.Good luck .The sad part is you THINK you know it all.When you stop learning.....you should stop living!:roflol: