Edit and repost. (Double Edit: John please remove this if anyone gets sand in their vagina from it) This was a reply to a thread that has gone semi-awry. I went to post it and Windows shut down; first time on a month old $2500 laptop. Rebooted and it saved only this, of all the open windows that were up. Message? Address thread topic and start new thread with these expoundments. Again, I’ve come to recognize this as a God thing, not computer gremlins. Also, I struggle when thinking about posting this but have resigned to the fact that I need to. One might automatically take offence instead of reflecting and learning from it. I used to struggle with that but no longer do, hence I continue to grow.
This morning’s reflections: This site used to have some very intellectual elucidations and insights from some bad azz peeps, sharing R&D and custom builds, failure analysis on freaky weirdness etc. Some of this still occurs and I see the guys pop in and out (you KNOW who you are
), mostly without posting. This is also occurring at the other two (use to be) big class 8 sites. This is not to say that threads on filter wrenches (good stuff yo) and other things aren’t necessary and very cool. They are, for everyone. It’s just…
The trend or paradigm shift seems to have gone to an online service manual. I understand that it's rather handy to log on to All Data Pro, ask it questions directly related and pertinent to the particular malady at hand, then even puke all over it if it answers in a perceived fashion not to one's liking, but there does come a time when>
A) People must spend some time and/ or money and acquire base knowledge and fundamental principles relative to their query. (see: Google, or the like)
B) Realize that no amount or quality of on-line failure analysis will benefit in a certain situation. Help us learn by learning, then posting relatives and pertinents.
C) Do as we do when WE (replyers) need to. > Read back thru to the beginning and see if someone said this sht right off the bat and it still holds true.
Not complaining, just saying, if we can get this thing back to the day when guys like 9A, tribal, Haney, fastshovel, Smokin, SL, pullin, RC, oldnotslow, Phantom, loghualer, Les, merlin, hi speed, all the KWT/ KTW's and H800, fest, doc, Kiwi, burke, pogue, and a host of others want to post experience and insights, this can be what it once was. The coolest place to come help guys fix and mod tuff stuff, not learn base diagnostics and maintenance on their lawnmower (see: Dr. Spock’s Just Ask dot com with a couple end wrenches and a service manual… @ 19.95 per minute). The place where guys come from truckereport and a couple others because this is where the answers are. (More) tuff stuff, not less. Stuff that makes us all grow and benefit from helping others. Stuff that doesn’t make us drop 10 IQ points for replying to it. Again, this does not include filter wrenches and most the stuff on here. I learned from that.
This is not to say that these query’s aren’t welcome. We are here to help. But one can only post a certain amount of Motors Manual base info without feeling… stupid and privilege abused. Of course it may just be me, but I do see you guy’s (again, you know who you are) still lurking, reading, and not posting. And I struggle to fill my daily knowledge/ growth requirements without you.
We are here to help and again I’m not complaining. Just saying. What this once was doesn't exist anywhere on the net anymore. And it should.
And before I post this as I’m puking all over this anyway I'm adding something in lieu of another couple issues in paradigm shifts, but won’t address at this time. This is in regard to:
A) Expecting a result or reply, not asking for one and thanking the person for doing so. This happens more frequently now on all the sites I post to than evr before. More on Harley's than here, but here as well.
B) OVERGoogling (misapplication). This happens here some but happened at work just this morning, again, and all the time. In this particular instance but apply at will if relevant. We answer questions based on the info we have. Then we apply correct diagnostic procedure and more testing, or the fix. If something is narrowed down to a couple different things and you happen to read a 3 year old thread that said something close, then they swapped ECM’s and it’s fixed, don’t just go buy an ECM. Finish the tests and see if you need one. This is for your benefit not ours.
Thank you for your time, contributions and consideration and enjoy your day. As my oatmeal just exploded on the stove we now return to the regularly scheduled program.
Tony Welch
Welch Diesel Repair
Welch Performance Diesel
Savage Cycleworx
This morning’s reflections: This site used to have some very intellectual elucidations and insights from some bad azz peeps, sharing R&D and custom builds, failure analysis on freaky weirdness etc. Some of this still occurs and I see the guys pop in and out (you KNOW who you are
), mostly without posting. This is also occurring at the other two (use to be) big class 8 sites. This is not to say that threads on filter wrenches (good stuff yo) and other things aren’t necessary and very cool. They are, for everyone. It’s just…The trend or paradigm shift seems to have gone to an online service manual. I understand that it's rather handy to log on to All Data Pro, ask it questions directly related and pertinent to the particular malady at hand, then even puke all over it if it answers in a perceived fashion not to one's liking, but there does come a time when>
A) People must spend some time and/ or money and acquire base knowledge and fundamental principles relative to their query. (see: Google, or the like)
B) Realize that no amount or quality of on-line failure analysis will benefit in a certain situation. Help us learn by learning, then posting relatives and pertinents.
C) Do as we do when WE (replyers) need to. > Read back thru to the beginning and see if someone said this sht right off the bat and it still holds true.
Not complaining, just saying, if we can get this thing back to the day when guys like 9A, tribal, Haney, fastshovel, Smokin, SL, pullin, RC, oldnotslow, Phantom, loghualer, Les, merlin, hi speed, all the KWT/ KTW's and H800, fest, doc, Kiwi, burke, pogue, and a host of others want to post experience and insights, this can be what it once was. The coolest place to come help guys fix and mod tuff stuff, not learn base diagnostics and maintenance on their lawnmower (see: Dr. Spock’s Just Ask dot com with a couple end wrenches and a service manual… @ 19.95 per minute). The place where guys come from truckereport and a couple others because this is where the answers are. (More) tuff stuff, not less. Stuff that makes us all grow and benefit from helping others. Stuff that doesn’t make us drop 10 IQ points for replying to it. Again, this does not include filter wrenches and most the stuff on here. I learned from that.
This is not to say that these query’s aren’t welcome. We are here to help. But one can only post a certain amount of Motors Manual base info without feeling… stupid and privilege abused. Of course it may just be me, but I do see you guy’s (again, you know who you are) still lurking, reading, and not posting. And I struggle to fill my daily knowledge/ growth requirements without you.
We are here to help and again I’m not complaining. Just saying. What this once was doesn't exist anywhere on the net anymore. And it should.
And before I post this as I’m puking all over this anyway I'm adding something in lieu of another couple issues in paradigm shifts, but won’t address at this time. This is in regard to:
A) Expecting a result or reply, not asking for one and thanking the person for doing so. This happens more frequently now on all the sites I post to than evr before. More on Harley's than here, but here as well.
B) OVERGoogling (misapplication). This happens here some but happened at work just this morning, again, and all the time. In this particular instance but apply at will if relevant. We answer questions based on the info we have. Then we apply correct diagnostic procedure and more testing, or the fix. If something is narrowed down to a couple different things and you happen to read a 3 year old thread that said something close, then they swapped ECM’s and it’s fixed, don’t just go buy an ECM. Finish the tests and see if you need one. This is for your benefit not ours.
Thank you for your time, contributions and consideration and enjoy your day. As my oatmeal just exploded on the stove we now return to the regularly scheduled program.
Tony Welch
Welch Diesel Repair
Welch Performance Diesel
Savage Cycleworx
